Anglo Boer war.

[Emac44]

So how long do you want reparations to go back to Henk. Back to the Boers or back to whence my ancestors come from in Skye in Scotland. And what happened to the Scottish Clans and such by the English that occurred over a 1000 years. With loss of language Celtic Loss of Religion Loss of self determination as Scotland had its own Parliament that predated that of England. Loss of Monarchy Loss of lands as the Clans had their own lands under a Chieftan Loss of Scottish heritage and the rape of women from Prima Noctua which was first night with any Scottish Woman on her wedding night by English Lords introduced by Edward the 1st LongShanks in the 12th century. Loss of Education as Scotland had already unversities and seats of learning prior to the invasion from England. Just how far do you want to go back Henk. Because if you only want to go as far back as the Boers or Maoris, what about the Scots Irish and Welsh who suffered under the English as well for hundreds of years. Don't these races deserve compensation Henk or are you just singular in your aspect. Problem is Henk you can not transpire the guilt of a few on the rest of a country. In other words to henk if you really want compensation from the British for what they did during the Boer war etc. then are not the Kaffirs of South Africa equally entitled to compensation from the Dutch Government as well and the impact Boers had on South African Negros before the British even set foot in South Africa. And as for the Germans during WW2 they made no secret of mass murder and execution of what they considered lesser races or even Dutch men and women who fought in the resistance movements in Holland. Or similar in France Russia Belguim Norway Greece Italy or any other European country that was occupied. except for the Concentration camps in South Africa which by all means is a black spot on the British Empire Germany set about under the Nazis to eradicated any one who was racially impure according to them. there is a big difference to experimentation preformed by the Germans in Auzwitz in Poland on Jewish or Gypsy Children Twins then to what occurred to Boers in South Africa. Even though I admit that it was a crime what the British had done where is the more Criminal action lies with what occurred in Europe from 1935 to 1945 by the Germans. Or isn't that important to you Henk as it occurred in Europe 70 odd years ago

[Emac44]

Originally Posted by Marcel

Of course this was not the major part of the dutch people, mostly older people who experienced the Boer war. Most of this sentiment was before the war, and most of the people who thought like this were quickly cured from their ideas after experiencing the Nazi regime. I know of some people who joined the NSB (dutch nazi party) for this, but luckily not very much. People who help to free you from the nazis deserve your friendship and gratitude and I think most of the people at Walcheren were very thankful to the british for their part in this.

Of course the question is Marcel. Where did the Dutch Monarchy go to during WW2 and with whom did they shelter with whilst Holland was occupied by the Germans and at the liberation of Holland by the Allies. Which group of Allies liberate Holland as early as they could? So much for old animosities Marcel

[plan_D]

There was no crime in the Boer Wars. There were no rules; hence no crime. Britain need not apologise for anything it has done in the past; because all those alive today were not alive back then.

The many horrors in the British Empire were all a product of their time. If you want people to start apologising for their Empires; you better take claim against the Greeks, Romans, Carthaginians, Russians, Mongolians, Chinese, Aztecs, Indians, Mayans, Persians, Turks, Austrians, Germans, Spanish, Portugese, French, Dutch, Danish, Norweigens and many-many more.

If Britain were as harsh as the Romans - you wouldn't be complaining now. You'd all be dead or cleaning my toilet. If you got any problem with what Britain did over a century ago; then keep it to yourself 'cos you'll be fighting a losing argument.

Product of our age; and we could have slaughtered all our colonies if we wanted. Be THANKFUL that we didn't enslave your ass and turn you into cotton pickers.

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by Emac44

Of course the question is Marcel. Where did the Dutch Monarchy go to during WW2 and with whom did they shelter with whilst Holland was occupied by the Germans and at the liberation of Holland by the Allies. Which group of Allies liberate Holland as early as they could? So much for old animosities Marcel

the answer to all the above questions is Canada .

[bomber]

Henk could you please explain to us how the Boers fought their war, ie the tactics of the day they employed ?

[plan_D]

Sorry, PBFoot, I didn't realise the British XXX Corps and 1st Airborne Division was ALL Canadian. I didn't realise that 21st Army Group was made up nothing but Canadians. I'm glad to see the British didn't have to fight in Holland.

[trackend]

Originally Posted by Henk

I think the Britsh should be held responsable for many horrors that occered in their empire and those people they killed all in the name of power and money, but the thing that pissed me off the most is that if you take the things the Nazis did and how the British went on about it it is actualy ironic for one fillen to point finger at a other. I am not saying what the Nazis did was right, but nothing has happend as such or any thing to show that they are sorry. Germany paid years and years for the things that happend in WW2.

Henk up till this point I found your artical very interesting but comparing the British too the Nazis even given the awfull things that where done during the empire days is a bit over the top so get stuffed. Yes the British invented concentration camps and a terrible thing it was but they did not stuff babies into gas F**king chambers by the thousand or slaughter 6 million plus people on the grounds of religion ,mental state, or sexual orientation or kill 20 million Russians. what ever my great great grandfather did it is not for me to have to appologise for, as it is not for those of German or Japanese decent to ask for forgiveness what their forbares did.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Gotta agree with you guys. The modern people of today should not have to answer for what there forfathers did generations ago.

[Marcel]

Originally Posted by Emac44

Of course the question is Marcel. Where did the Dutch Monarchy go to during WW2 and with whom did they shelter with whilst Holland was occupied by the Germans and at the liberation of Holland by the Allies. Which group of Allies liberate Holland as early as they could? So much for old animosities Marcel

Exactly, in times of wars you'll quickly know who your real enemy is. As I said, the ones with those ideas were quickly cured and the royal family had a firm grip of reality.

Originally Posted by pbfoot

the answer to all the above questions is Canada .

Actually, only a part of the royal family was in Canada. Some stayed in London.

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Gotta agree with you guys. The modern people of today should have to answer for what there for fathers did generations ago.

Part of the wealth we have here in Europe came from our colonies, so the least we can do is help our former colonies to get a higher standard of living themselves.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Sorry I had to edit that. In my post I said they should have to answer for what there fathers did but what I really mean is they should not have to.

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by plan_D

Sorry, PBFoot, I didn't realise the British XXX Corps and 1st Airborne Division was ALL Canadian. I didn't realise that 21st Army Group was made up nothing but Canadians. I'm glad to see the British didn't have to fight in Holland.

Would it be more politically correct to say the Canadians were in the majority

[Emac44]

No one is denying Canadian troops were not part of XXX Corps but so there were British Scots and Irish Regiments in XXX Corps PB. and as for 1st Airborne Pb they were mostly Brits to my knowledge. And the British 21st Army group was made up of Canadian British Irish Scots and Welsh Regiments. But the Dutch Monarchy first sheltered in England parts of the family moving to Canada at a later stage. but they were not the only Monarchy to shelter in England during WW2 Pb, My point was to Marcel that old suspicions and animosities were forgotten due to a common enemy that had to be fought

[Emac44]

In other words Do not visit the sins of the fathers onto the children. Which I was trying to point out to Henk about blaming the British for things that occurred 100 plus years ago in South Africa.. We can not blame the today's generation of Germans Italians or Japanese on the things their grandparents did 70 years ago. It is pointless to even try to do that. As per the examples I said to Henk about what occurred in Scotland Ireland and Wales over a 1000 years.

[plan_D]

It's not a case of poltically correct, PB. There were more British troops in the 21st Army Group than Canadians. To be so deluded as to believe it was solely the Canadians that liberated Holland is a smudge on your respectability.

I'm all for national pride, and I know Canadians took a lot on their shoulders in Holland. And great respect to them for doing that; but just keep the facts straight. Americans were in Holland too; the 82nd and 101st Airborne for a start.

[Marcel]

Originally Posted by plan_D

It's not a case of poltically correct, PB. There were more British troops in the 21st Army Group than Canadians. To be so deluded as to believe it was solely the Canadians that liberated Holland is a smudge on your respectability.

I'm all for national pride, and I know Canadians took a lot on their shoulders in Holland. And great respect to them for doing that; but just keep the facts straight. Americans were in Holland too; the 82nd and 101st Airborne for a start.

Yes you're right, but they only liberated the south during Market Garden and then went into germany in 1945. The Canadians liberated the north, above the river rhine. But they took along also quite a number of Poles as well. The town I was born, for instance was liberated by the Poles. Even Belgian paratroopers were there. But fair is fair, the canadians took the biggest part of it.