Iron Clads

SpitfireKing · 07-10-2006, 07:54 PM

I think they had a great effect on the war and with that brought a new age. Do you think the same way?

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-11-2006, 10:35 AM

Well they obviously brought into the era the monitors and then the dreadnoughts. Once they started building these, wooden ships had no chance, so yeah.

syscom3 · 07-11-2006, 12:06 PM

The monitors were also totally dependant on steam power, not having any sails.

davparlr · 07-11-2006, 01:48 PM

Point of interest, the monitor Tecumseh, which was sunk in the battle of Mobile, still rest on the bottom there. My brother has dove on it, saying only the top of the turret is visible. However, since that time hurricane Ivan visited and now I understand that it is completely buried. There is quite a controversy considering how it sank. Tradition says it was a mine. If it was it was the only one that was working in Mobile bay. Confederate mines tended to leak. I am surprised that there has been no effort to raise her. Monitors are significant vessels since they were the first to use turrets and none exist, except part of the original Monitor. I guess cost is the reason.

Also, somewhere in Mobile bay a Civil War submarine, a sister ship of the Hunley, is suppose to be on the bottom. It sank while being towed for a test. It has never been found. It was probably destroyed by dredges.

trackend · 07-11-2006, 02:40 PM

HMS Warrior (1860) 9210 tonnes that is on display at Portsmouth was the UK's first Ship clad in wrought iron although powered by steam she retained masts and sails and in her day was impervious to the most powerful guns available including her own 110lb breech loaders.
This site gives all the details HMS Warrior 1860 - Welcome on Board - Page 1 of 2

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-12-2006, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by syscom3

The monitors were also totally dependant on steam power, not having any sails.

I know that is why I said it led to the era of the monitors.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-12-2006, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by trackend

HMS Warrior (1860) 9210 tonnes that is on display at Portsmouth was the UK's first Ship clad in wrought iron although powered by steam she retained masts and sails and in her day was impervious to the most powerful guns available including her own 110lb breech loaders.
This site gives all the details HMS Warrior 1860 - Welcome on Board - Page 1 of 2

Ive been to her. I need to find my pics, whereever they are.

SpitfireKing · 07-13-2006, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by davparlr

Point of interest, the monitor Tecumseh, which was sunk in the battle of Mobile, still rest on the bottom there. My brother has dove on it, saying only the top of the turret is visible. However, since that time hurricane Ivan visited and now I understand that it is completely buried. There is quite a controversy considering how it sank. Tradition says it was a mine. If it was it was the only one that was working in Mobile bay. Confederate mines tended to leak. I am surprised that there has been no effort to raise her. Monitors are significant vessels since they were the first to use turrets and none exist, except part of the original Monitor. I guess cost is the reason.

Also, somewhere in Mobile bay a Civil War submarine, a sister ship of the Hunley, is suppose to be on the bottom. It sank while being towed for a test. It has never been found. It was probably destroyed by dredges.

Not only cost but the effect such as damge it would have on the ship.

redcoat · 08-16-2006, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by trackend

HMS Warrior (1860) 9210 tonnes that is on display at Portsmouth was the UK's first Ship clad in wrought iron although powered by steam she retained masts and sails and in her day was impervious to the most powerful guns available including her own 110lb breech loaders.
This site gives all the details HMS Warrior 1860 - Welcome on Board - Page 1 of 2

HMS Warrior isn't an ironclad, she's more advanced than that, she is in fact, an iron hulled warship.

Soundbreaker Welch? · 08-17-2006, 05:45 AM

Silly ole' film with a big pile of coins in an Iron Clad................

davparlr · 10-15-2006, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SpitfireKing

Not only cost but the effect such as damge it would have on the ship.

True, but it will never be in as good a shape as it is in right now. Further delay will only cause further decay. It won't be much good if they wait until it is a pile of rust like the Monitor.

Njaco · 03-06-2007, 08:51 PM

Found a little book that was pretty straight on with the developement and battle between monitor and Merrimac.

"Monitor" by James Fertius deKay

Nice afternoon reading.

davparlr · 03-07-2007, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Njaco

Found a little book that was pretty straight on with the developement and battle between monitor and Merrimac.

"Monitor" by James Fertius deKay

Nice afternoon reading.

The Merrimac was the name of the Union ship that was scuttled and sank. The ship was raised and rebuilt and christened C.S.S. Virginia. This is the proper name for the ship.

Njaco · 03-08-2007, 01:48 PM

I knew that. Just had a senior moment.

If you can get the book its pretty well objective about the evnts bringing about the Monitor. good read.

davparlr · 03-08-2007, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Njaco

I knew that. Just had a senior moment.

If you can get the book its pretty well objective about the evnts bringing about the Monitor. good read.

No problem, I am sure I that I have done that and will again.

I just saw a TV show about Civil War weapons. They actually walked around in the recovered Monitor turret, it was upside down because it rested on the bottom that way. They showed that one of the Virginia's shot almost penetrated the turret. They also said that the Virginia was hit only 20 times and the Monitor only 24, I believe. Not much rate of fire and/or accuracy there.