DONE: 1/48 Revell P-61 Black Widow of Maj. Carrol C. "Snuffy" Smith Group Build - Page 3 - Aircraft of World War II

Catch22 · 05-16-2009, 11:11 PM

Looks great!

Wildcat · 05-16-2009, 11:35 PM

Excellent work mate!

109ROAMING · 05-17-2009, 03:51 AM

looking pretty good man

Wurger · 05-17-2009, 05:01 AM

Nice progress.

Keep working.

rochie · 05-17-2009, 07:23 AM

very nice, love the ammo feeds and guns

Wayne Little · 05-17-2009, 08:51 AM

Hey...thats lookin' good mate!

Lucky13 · 05-17-2009, 08:57 AM

Awesome work mate!

Airframes · 05-17-2009, 12:53 PM

Good work Mag, it's looking the dog's! I've a feeling the finish was gloss black; I'll see what I can find out and let you know asap.

Maglar · 05-17-2009, 12:56 PM

Thatd be great Terry! I just hate when the instructions and box-pictures contradict themselves. I think you meant to say "It's the dogs b*ll*cks!"

ellis995 · 05-17-2009, 01:03 PM

looking good Maglar

Just seeing the box front brings back memorys of my model i had 25plus yrs ago.

keep it going

keith

Aaron Brooks Wolters · 05-17-2009, 02:43 PM

Excellent work Marglar.

Airframes · 05-17-2009, 05:01 PM

OK Mag, checked it out. The early versions were in matt black, but this soon changed to gloss back, due to the better 'concealment value' offered by a gloss finish. This is also in line with WW2 RAF trials of black paints for night bombers, which started off as a 'sooty' black, to matt black, to a semi-matt finish. The gloss finish had a better absorption effect than matt, making the aircraft less prone to detection, particularly in searhlight beams.
I wouldn't always trust box art!
Note that although it was a gloss finish, this soon dulled down, and wasn't, in service anyway, a highly polished gloss. Also, the P61 showed flaking of the paint along panel joins. Whether this was true of the example being modelled, can only be ascertained by photographic evidence of course.
Hope this helps mate.

Maglar · 05-17-2009, 06:38 PM

Ok, Gloss it is! Luckily I have the Alclad gloss black which is very nice quality, I will just need to know when to stop spraying because black on black is tough to know if an areas covered.

I joined the fuselages and had some gaps and such. I used my "gap filler" cyanoacrylate glue along these areas then used my #11 blade to scrape the dry glue off then I sanded the area to a fine finish. All seam lines have a smooth finish so I am confident the gaps are filled but will do a spray test. I also need to use my micro-gloss to get rid of sanding scratches as gloss shows off errors as NMF's. Pics tonight hopefully, off to chores and homework.

Thanks all, its really motivating me to have more interest in this build!

Airframes · 05-17-2009, 07:26 PM

Gloss black can be a pain to spray, onto any coloured background! Ask anyone who sprays cars for a living!
You could spray it matt black, which is more forgiving, then gloss coat it. Whichever route you decide upon, it's a good idea to give it a thin primer coat of mid grey first (60% to 75% grey). This will not only help you see where you're spraying, but it'll also help give an even finish. And of course, ensure you stir the black well before use - black paints, of any finish, are a sod for holding back on the pigment, and this must be thoroughly mixed into the carrier, otherwise, the finish could be patchy, and could remain 'sticky' for days - at least!

Maglar · 05-17-2009, 08:23 PM

Good idea, I probably will do the primer and matte then gloss cote. I have the vallejo airbrush series black so a good shake and I should be fine.

05-16-2009, 11:11 PM	#31
Catch22 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 4,293	Looks great! __________________

05-16-2009, 11:35 PM	#32
Wildcat Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Queensland Posts: 4,543	Excellent work mate! __________________

05-17-2009, 03:51 AM	#33
109ROAMING Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 4,978	looking pretty good man __________________ "When all else fails read the manual"

05-17-2009, 05:01 AM	#34
Wurger Siggy Master Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 13,964	Nice progress. Keep working. __________________

05-17-2009, 07:23 AM	#35
rochie Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: billingham nr middlesbrough uk Posts: 3,096	very nice, love the ammo feeds and guns __________________ "We're not easily frightened. Also we know how hard it is for an army to cross the Channel — the last little corporal to try it came a cropper. So don't threaten or dictate to us until you're marching up Whitehall! ...and even then we won't listen!" quote from B.O.B movie

05-17-2009, 08:51 AM	#36
Wayne Little Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Adelaide Sth. Aust. Posts: 12,487	Hey...thats lookin' good mate! __________________

05-17-2009, 08:57 AM	#37
Lucky13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 15,121	Awesome work mate! __________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"

05-17-2009, 12:53 PM	#38
Airframes Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,030	Good work Mag, it's looking the dog's! I've a feeling the finish was gloss black; I'll see what I can find out and let you know asap. __________________

05-17-2009, 12:56 PM	#39
Maglar Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 1,149	Thatd be great Terry! I just hate when the instructions and box-pictures contradict themselves. I think you meant to say "It's the dogs bllcks!"

05-17-2009, 01:03 PM	#40
ellis995 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Easington Lane UK Posts: 676	looking good Maglar Just seeing the box front brings back memorys of my model i had 25plus yrs ago. keep it going keith __________________ The Fighters are our salvation,but the bombers alone provide the means of victory. Winston Churchill September 1940

05-17-2009, 02:43 PM	#41
Aaron Brooks Wolters Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Abingdon, VA. Posts: 2,283	Excellent work Marglar.

05-17-2009, 05:01 PM	#42
Airframes Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,030	OK Mag, checked it out. The early versions were in matt black, but this soon changed to gloss back, due to the better 'concealment value' offered by a gloss finish. This is also in line with WW2 RAF trials of black paints for night bombers, which started off as a 'sooty' black, to matt black, to a semi-matt finish. The gloss finish had a better absorption effect than matt, making the aircraft less prone to detection, particularly in searhlight beams. I wouldn't always trust box art! Note that although it was a gloss finish, this soon dulled down, and wasn't, in service anyway, a highly polished gloss. Also, the P61 showed flaking of the paint along panel joins. Whether this was true of the example being modelled, can only be ascertained by photographic evidence of course. Hope this helps mate. __________________

05-17-2009, 06:38 PM	#43
Maglar Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 1,149	Ok, Gloss it is! Luckily I have the Alclad gloss black which is very nice quality, I will just need to know when to stop spraying because black on black is tough to know if an areas covered. I joined the fuselages and had some gaps and such. I used my "gap filler" cyanoacrylate glue along these areas then used my #11 blade to scrape the dry glue off then I sanded the area to a fine finish. All seam lines have a smooth finish so I am confident the gaps are filled but will do a spray test. I also need to use my micro-gloss to get rid of sanding scratches as gloss shows off errors as NMF's. Pics tonight hopefully, off to chores and homework. Thanks all, its really motivating me to have more interest in this build! Last edited by Maglar; 05-17-2009 at 06:40 PM.

05-17-2009, 07:26 PM	#44
Airframes Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,030	Gloss black can be a pain to spray, onto any coloured background! Ask anyone who sprays cars for a living! You could spray it matt black, which is more forgiving, then gloss coat it. Whichever route you decide upon, it's a good idea to give it a thin primer coat of mid grey first (60% to 75% grey). This will not only help you see where you're spraying, but it'll also help give an even finish. And of course, ensure you stir the black well before use - black paints, of any finish, are a sod for holding back on the pigment, and this must be thoroughly mixed into the carrier, otherwise, the finish could be patchy, and could remain 'sticky' for days - at least! __________________

05-17-2009, 08:23 PM	#45
Maglar Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 1,149	Good idea, I probably will do the primer and matte then gloss cote. I have the vallejo airbrush series black so a good shake and I should be fine.

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