Fleet Air Arm Avengers - Aircraft of World War II

Airframes · 05-09-2009, 05:26 AM

This has been thrown together to help Cory (Catch 22) with his PTO Group Build entry, but it might be useful to others for the future. It's in no way a full account of FAA Avengers in the PTO, and there may be some slight inaccuracies regarding serial numbers related to model number, although I think I have sorted the conflictions of information arising from various sources.
If any one wants to add info or pics to this thread, by all means do so.

Catch22 · 05-09-2009, 09:42 AM

Ok, I read it Terry. Great job! It's really helpful, and I may have found a plane that I'll be able to emulate. And I didn't realize the British Avengers retained the 4th crew member! I will have to finagle a seat.

Airframes · 05-09-2009, 10:06 AM

Glad it's useful Cory. The FAA Avengers still had a crew of three, far as I know, but there was a seat in the centre cockpit, as per my build. You'll need to cut off some of the equipment on the rear part of the floor, PART 25B, and either find or make a suitable seat. The pics in my build should give an idea of what's required. Also, omit part 32A, and if you can, shave off the locating 'rack' for this on the port wall, if you are going to add the frames and stringers from scratch.
When you get around to the build, you might need some help with the cockpit assembly, even with the AM instruction sheet, as there are some bits that really need better illustration. Just give me a shout when you're ready, and I'll also e-mail the AM instructions.

Catch22 · 05-09-2009, 10:11 AM

Well, I sprayed the cockpit last night to get better coverage because that interior green is so thin. I didn't remove that detail though! I recalled from your thread that you had, and I looked at it but deemed it too difficult for my skills and I figured I'd just screw it up. Now it looks like I don't have a choice! I'll go back and remove it this morning. I'm going to paint all the little details before I actually put anything together, but whenever you have the time (or are able due to your internet) it would be awesome to have those AM plans. Thanks again Terry!

Airframes · 05-09-2009, 10:36 AM

OK mate, you can get away with leaving the side wall 'rack' in place, as it can pass for framework, but you'll still need to remove some of the floor equipment if a seat is to be fitted.
Now, the instrument panel. It's up to you which way you paint it, but, the starboard side has a panel that needs to be folded up, or cut off, as shown in the AM sheet. I found it better to cut it off, then glue to the side console on PART 30A.
PART 31A shows the bottom section needs to be folded up 90 degrees. this is almost right, but pics of the real thing show that this side console slopes slightly. Fold it, glue the part in place, then fix the folded part with CA glue underneath, otherwise it'll want to 'flop' back down again! This will make more sense when you see the AM sheet, and combine it with the Italeri sheet. I'll log out now and try to e-mail the AM sheet, but it might take a bit of time with this bl**dy slow 'net connection!
BTW, there's some colour interior shots on the Kiwi Wings web-site that are useful, mainly for the pilot's cockpit, but bear in mind some of the original equipment fit is missing.

Wayne Little · 05-09-2009, 11:24 AM

Nice work Terry!

Airframes · 05-09-2009, 01:34 PM

Thanks Wayne, might have more to add to it when I can access some info.

05-09-2009, 09:42 AM	#2
Catch22 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 4,293	Ok, I read it Terry. Great job! It's really helpful, and I may have found a plane that I'll be able to emulate. And I didn't realize the British Avengers retained the 4th crew member! I will have to finagle a seat. __________________ Last edited by Catch22; 05-09-2009 at 09:48 AM.

05-09-2009, 10:06 AM	#3
Airframes Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,039	Glad it's useful Cory. The FAA Avengers still had a crew of three, far as I know, but there was a seat in the centre cockpit, as per my build. You'll need to cut off some of the equipment on the rear part of the floor, PART 25B, and either find or make a suitable seat. The pics in my build should give an idea of what's required. Also, omit part 32A, and if you can, shave off the locating 'rack' for this on the port wall, if you are going to add the frames and stringers from scratch. When you get around to the build, you might need some help with the cockpit assembly, even with the AM instruction sheet, as there are some bits that really need better illustration. Just give me a shout when you're ready, and I'll also e-mail the AM instructions. __________________

05-09-2009, 10:11 AM	#4
Catch22 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 4,293	Well, I sprayed the cockpit last night to get better coverage because that interior green is so thin. I didn't remove that detail though! I recalled from your thread that you had, and I looked at it but deemed it too difficult for my skills and I figured I'd just screw it up. Now it looks like I don't have a choice! I'll go back and remove it this morning. I'm going to paint all the little details before I actually put anything together, but whenever you have the time (or are able due to your internet) it would be awesome to have those AM plans. Thanks again Terry! __________________

05-09-2009, 10:36 AM	#5
Airframes Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,039	OK mate, you can get away with leaving the side wall 'rack' in place, as it can pass for framework, but you'll still need to remove some of the floor equipment if a seat is to be fitted. Now, the instrument panel. It's up to you which way you paint it, but, the starboard side has a panel that needs to be folded up, or cut off, as shown in the AM sheet. I found it better to cut it off, then glue to the side console on PART 30A. PART 31A shows the bottom section needs to be folded up 90 degrees. this is almost right, but pics of the real thing show that this side console slopes slightly. Fold it, glue the part in place, then fix the folded part with CA glue underneath, otherwise it'll want to 'flop' back down again! This will make more sense when you see the AM sheet, and combine it with the Italeri sheet. I'll log out now and try to e-mail the AM sheet, but it might take a bit of time with this bl**dy slow 'net connection! BTW, there's some colour interior shots on the Kiwi Wings web-site that are useful, mainly for the pilot's cockpit, but bear in mind some of the original equipment fit is missing. __________________

05-09-2009, 11:24 AM	#6
Wayne Little Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Adelaide Sth. Aust. Posts: 12,511	Nice work Terry! __________________

05-09-2009, 01:34 PM	#7
Airframes Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,039	Thanks Wayne, might have more to add to it when I can access some info. __________________

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