Camoulage paint on P40N - Aircraft of World War II

Amsel · 12-11-2008, 05:38 PM

I have been combing the web for pictures of P40Ns' in service in China/India or the Pacific that wore camo paint. All the pictures I have seen so far seem to sport an olive drab upper and sky grey belly. Does anyone know if a camo pattern was used by a certain F.G.? Especially in China. Perhaps the 51st F.G.?

Airframes · 12-11-2008, 06:03 PM

Hi Amsel. Very recently, I saw an article, I think in a modelling magazine, that featured P40's sent to that theatre which had a disruptive camouflage scheme, apparently in 'British' colours, on aircraft diverted there from an order originally destined for Britain. I can't promise anything, as I might no longer have the mag, but if I find anything definite, I'll post it for you.
Terry.

Amsel · 12-11-2008, 07:14 PM

Thank you sir. I was looking for proof of a camo scheme particularly on the "N" model. I was curious of the variations used on the latest model. Many thanks.

Airframes · 12-18-2008, 06:54 PM

Hi again Amsel. I haven't yet found the modelling article, but I have found a recent aviation magazine article coveing the P40 at the Cavanaugh Museum. This has been restored in the colours of a particular pilot, and is in disruptive pattern cammo!
As there may be a problem with copyright, being a very recent publication, if you can PM me with an e-mail address, I'll scan the colour pics, and the text if possible, and e-mail it to you.
Terry.

Crunch · 12-19-2008, 08:05 AM

Here's a few links for reference on the model I'm doing.... RAAF, but they basically used the US markings they were shipped over in, just re-badged them.

RAAF P-40 camo&mkngs 2

RAAF P-40 camo&mkngs 1

Index of /members

EDIT June 09 - The above 3 links are now password protected. Shame, they were very useful

Kiwi Aircraft Images - P40 Kittyhawk

Amsel · 12-19-2008, 10:03 AM

Thank you gentlemen. I believe your advice has been what I need to continue with my project. Thank you very much. For being so prolific it seems that the P-40N doesn't get as much coverage as does some others.

I especially am interested in the OD scheme with the green scalloped edges.

Tinplate58 · 06-06-2009, 05:40 PM

2- colour upper surface schemes on P-40N are rare; but often seen on Es, Ks and Ms.
This is a typical OD/NG one with Medium Green 42 patches around edges, very common especially in the 80th and 51st FGs in the CBI. The serial was overpainted with dark green as was the spinner back plate; tail numbers in the 16th FS/ 51st FG were 350--399 .Note absence of an eye above.
Nick

Amsel · 06-06-2009, 09:53 PM

Great info and profiles. Thanks!

evangilder · 06-07-2009, 12:40 AM

Like this?

Micdrow · 06-07-2009, 09:34 AM

Nice Eric, who ones that one as I have never seen that P-40. Is it a new restoration?

Terry McGrady · 06-12-2009, 06:50 AM

Hi Amsel,
I've been researching P40/Kittyhawks for the past 40 years on and off . The information I have so far come across is that at some point in the P40K-10/15 production run Cuirtiss started painting A/C in OD/ MG blotching / NG regardless of where the A/C ended in service . It was left to the end user to repaint the Airframes if necessary.
I have yet to see a photo or any evidence of P40N in USAAF service painted in disruptive camo .
The 51st certainly used P40K-5 in disruptive camo , but not any Ns
One interesting variation was the 45th FG , which used P40N in engineer sand with pale blue under surfaces
A useful reference is the Osprey book Aircraft of the Aces Number 35---- P40 Warhawk Aces of the CBI by Carl Molesworth
HTH
Cheers

Terry McGrady

evangilder · 06-12-2009, 08:00 AM

I think the restoration is fairly new, Paul, but Chino gets airplanes from all over the pace for their show. I hadn't seen that one before the show, but it could be an out of state bird. So I am not sure. I will see if I can find the N-number.

evangilder · 06-12-2009, 08:06 AM

Well, I found the N-number NL1195N. It was issued an airworthiness certificate in 1986, so I am guessing it's not such a new restoration.

Amsel · 06-12-2009, 11:16 AM

Thanks, Terry. Useful information especially from someone who has such an interest in the P-40. I will check out those Osprey books. and btw welcome.

Colin1 · 06-12-2009, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry McGrady

Hi Amsel
I've been researching P40/Kittyhawks for the past 40 years on and off

Hi Terry
I posted 'A P-40 Pictorial History' in Aviation Pictures
do you know any more about the inertia and intransigence of Curtiss-Wright that led to the Truman Committee investigation and the view that C-W was a Wall Street-vested cash cow?

12-11-2008, 05:38 PM	#1
Amsel Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 1,738	Camoulage paint on P40N I have been combing the web for pictures of P40Ns' in service in China/India or the Pacific that wore camo paint. All the pictures I have seen so far seem to sport an olive drab upper and sky grey belly. Does anyone know if a camo pattern was used by a certain F.G.? Especially in China. Perhaps the 51st F.G.? __________________ 'Live Free or Die'

12-11-2008, 07:14 PM	#3
Amsel Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 1,738	Thank you sir. I was looking for proof of a camo scheme particularly on the "N" model. I was curious of the variations used on the latest model. Many thanks. __________________ 'Live Free or Die'

12-19-2008, 08:05 AM	#5
Crunch Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Central Coast, NSW, Australia Posts: 355	Here's a few links for reference on the model I'm doing.... RAAF, but they basically used the US markings they were shipped over in, just re-badged them. RAAF P-40 camo&mkngs 2 RAAF P-40 camo&mkngs 1 Index of /members EDIT June 09 - The above 3 links are now password protected. Shame, they were very useful Kiwi Aircraft Images - P40 Kittyhawk __________________ In the build; 1/72 Hurricane IIc -DONE!- Click here! 1/72 Do28 Skyservant - Decal stage 1/72 Do17 - Underway 1/72 Sarvioa Marchetti SM 79 - In the box still 1/72 RAAF DHC4 Caribou - In the box still Last edited by Crunch; 06-06-2009 at 11:35 PM.

12-19-2008, 10:03 AM	#6
Amsel Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 1,738	Thank you gentlemen. I believe your advice has been what I need to continue with my project. Thank you very much. For being so prolific it seems that the P-40N doesn't get as much coverage as does some others. I especially am interested in the OD scheme with the green scalloped edges. __________________ 'Live Free or Die'

06-06-2009, 09:53 PM	#8
Amsel Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 1,738	Great info and profiles. Thanks! __________________ 'Live Free or Die'

12-11-2008, 06:03 PM	#2
Airframes Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,066	Hi Amsel. Very recently, I saw an article, I think in a modelling magazine, that featured P40's sent to that theatre which had a disruptive camouflage scheme, apparently in 'British' colours, on aircraft diverted there from an order originally destined for Britain. I can't promise anything, as I might no longer have the mag, but if I find anything definite, I'll post it for you. Terry.

12-18-2008, 06:54 PM	#4
Airframes Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,066	Hi again Amsel. I haven't yet found the modelling article, but I have found a recent aviation magazine article coveing the P40 at the Cavanaugh Museum. This has been restored in the colours of a particular pilot, and is in disruptive pattern cammo! As there may be a problem with copyright, being a very recent publication, if you can PM me with an e-mail address, I'll scan the colour pics, and the text if possible, and e-mail it to you. Terry.

06-07-2009, 12:40 AM	#9
evangilder "Shooter" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Moorpark, CA Posts: 14,809	Like this? __________________ http://www.vg-photo.com For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return. Leonardo Da Vinci

06-07-2009, 09:34 AM	#10
Micdrow “Archive” Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 4,852	Nice Eric, who ones that one as I have never seen that P-40. Is it a new restoration? __________________ "Valor does not mean Hero."

06-12-2009, 06:50 AM	#11
Terry McGrady Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 16	Hi Amsel, I've been researching P40/Kittyhawks for the past 40 years on and off . The information I have so far come across is that at some point in the P40K-10/15 production run Cuirtiss started painting A/C in OD/ MG blotching / NG regardless of where the A/C ended in service . It was left to the end user to repaint the Airframes if necessary. I have yet to see a photo or any evidence of P40N in USAAF service painted in disruptive camo . The 51st certainly used P40K-5 in disruptive camo , but not any Ns One interesting variation was the 45th FG , which used P40N in engineer sand with pale blue under surfaces A useful reference is the Osprey book Aircraft of the Aces Number 35---- P40 Warhawk Aces of the CBI by Carl Molesworth HTH Cheers Terry McGrady

06-12-2009, 08:00 AM	#12
evangilder "Shooter" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Moorpark, CA Posts: 14,809	I think the restoration is fairly new, Paul, but Chino gets airplanes from all over the pace for their show. I hadn't seen that one before the show, but it could be an out of state bird. So I am not sure. I will see if I can find the N-number. __________________ http://www.vg-photo.com For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return. Leonardo Da Vinci

06-12-2009, 08:06 AM	#13
evangilder "Shooter" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Moorpark, CA Posts: 14,809	Well, I found the N-number NL1195N. It was issued an airworthiness certificate in 1986, so I am guessing it's not such a new restoration. __________________ http://www.vg-photo.com For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return. Leonardo Da Vinci

06-12-2009, 11:16 AM	#14
Amsel Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 1,738	Thanks, Terry. Useful information especially from someone who has such an interest in the P-40. I will check out those Osprey books. and btw welcome. __________________ 'Live Free or Die'

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