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Old 11-08-2007, 06:43 PM   #31
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Hi Micdrow,

>Kinda weird though as they are bent forward and not backwards.

From what I've read, this can happen if you strike a water surface with the propeller tips.

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Old 11-10-2007, 07:51 AM   #32
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While diggin around in one of my old cds of pictures that I have collected on the web through time I found these and thought you all would be interested. Dont ask for sources because I have no idea where I got these. LOL
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Old 11-10-2007, 08:20 AM   #33
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Some more, bottom picture is of Seversky 2PA of which 20 where supplied to Japan before the war
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Old 11-10-2007, 08:50 AM   #34
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Here is a list of foreign aircraft that Japan tested:

Dewoitine D.510J
Nieuport 29C-1
Potez 542
Potez 25 TOE
Arado Ar 196
Bücker Bü 131B Jungmann
Dornier Do 15 Wal
Heinkel He 70 Blitz
Heinkel He 118
Heinkel He 50A
Heinkel He 112B V12 / B-1
Heinkel He 100D
Heinkel He 116A
Focke-Wulf Fw 190A-3/-5
Junkers F.6
Junkers F.13
Junkers Ju 86Z-2
Junkers Ju 87A-1
Junkers Ju 160
Messerschmitt Bf 108
Messerschmitt Bf 109E-3 / E-7
Messerschmitt Me 210A-2
Fiat BR.20 Cicogna
Lavochkin LaGG-3
Polikarpov I-15
Polikarpov I-16 Type 24
Tupolev SB-2
Bristol Blenheim IV
Bristol Bulldog (Type J.S.S.F.)
Hawker Hurricane IIC
Hawker Nimrod II
Brewster Buffalo 339 (F2A-3)
Martin B-10B Bomber 128
Boeing F4B-4 (P-12F)
Boeing B-17C/E Flying Fortress
Curtiss P-40E Kittyhawk
Curtiss-Wright CW-21B Demon
Curtiss-Wright SNC-1 Falcon
Curtiss-Wright BT-32 Condor II
Chance Vought V-143
Douglas DF
Douglas DC-2
Douglas DC-3
Douglas DC-4E
Douglas DC-5
Douglas DB-19
Douglas Boston III (A-20 Havoc)
Lockheed 10
Lockheed 14
Fairchild 22 (C-7A)
Fairchild A942-B
Fokker Super Universal USA
Grumman F6F-5 Hellcat
North American NA-16
North American P-51C
Northrop Gamma
Ryan STM-S2
Salmson 2A2
Seversky 2PA Convoy Fighter
Vougth V-65C Corsair
Vought F4U-1 Corsair
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Old 11-10-2007, 08:59 AM   #35
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Interesting list, I think Ive seen the f4u corsair some where but the Ju-86, Hellcat and mustang are new to me.
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Old 11-10-2007, 09:18 AM   #36
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I would love to see pics of all of them, if they are out there.
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Old 11-10-2007, 11:42 AM   #37
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I will have to do some more digging, I sure I have a few more in the list above.
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Old 11-10-2007, 12:29 PM   #38
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1st one is japanese troops capturing a Brewster buffalo
2nd one is a Chance Vought 143
3rd one Heinkel HD 25
4th one is a Heinkel 28
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Old 11-10-2007, 01:04 PM   #39
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Old 11-10-2007, 01:39 PM   #42
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I guess they didn't test the P-47. Their feet wouldn't have reached the pedals.
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Couple of more.
First one Lagg 3
Second one Buffalo
Last two are Bu 131 license in japan under the type KI-86
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Couple of more Douglas L2D. First one is in Japanese transport colors, second is military.
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Couple of more.
Last two are Bu 131 license in japan under the type KI-86
The Bu-131/Ki-86 is especially interesting because a large number of these license built a/c were in turn captured by the Soviets in Manchuria in 1945. ~300 were on hand there, 'Manchukuo' had become a main JAAF training area in part because it wasn't subject to US fighter sweeps. The type was then used by the Chinese Communists (per several published accounts) and the North Koreans (per captured NK docs from the Korean War referring to them).

Here's a book about a/c captured by the Japanese, sorry not a free website full of copyright violation photo's (just kidding ) and it's in Japanese, but it's good stuff.
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The Mustang was P-51C 44-10816, nickname Evalina, which force landed in China, a number of sites have photo's of that one.
The F6F was from VF-44 off USS Langley. It and the F4U's, one from VMF-123 and one from VFB-83, at least, bellied in during strikes on Japan from Feb '45 onward.

Going the other way, the German commerce raider Orion was said to have purchased a Type 95 Recon Seaplane (E8N, 'Dave') in 1941, because it needed one and happened to be in Japan. And many sources say the Germans considered license producing the Type 100 Hq. Recon plane (Ki-46, 'Dinah'), but obviously didn't end up doing so, and I don't know how far that really got.

Note that P-40 in 50th Sentai markings was one of several reported used as operational combat planes in Burma by the Japanese. And some of the B-17's captured in Java had early Sperry computing sights for their turrets. While standard English sources (like Mikesh, "Japanese a/c Equipment") say the Japanese copies of those didn't go past trials, the Japanese book "Hien Regiment" about the 244th Sentai shows photo's of what it says were operational computing gunsights on Type 3 Fighters (Ki-61, 'Tony') in 1945, presumably also based on the captured ones.

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