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| Nice For RLM02 yuo can use Gunze H70,Pactra A77,AeroMaster 1010,Testors enamel 2071,Xtracolor X201 and Lifecolor UA071. Personally I use Humbrol 84 and add sometimes some drops of white one.
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| That's an interesting idea Wojtec, I'll give that a go too! |
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| Ah I don't remember if I've mentioned it earlier but for sure you know about it.The smaller scale model is the lighter colours should be.Just to recall myself.
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| Want to add the codes used by the Luftwaffe. Unlike fighters, other unit types used codes on their machines to identify the unit to which they belonged. Here is a list from this site. The Luftwaffe in Scale: Identification Codes of Luftwaffe Units 1939 - 1945 Code: Unit: A1+ = KG 53 (Kampfgeschwader) A2+ = I./ZG 52, (I./52nd Zerstroergeschwader, from 6.7.1940 onwards: II./ZG 2 = (II./2nd Zerstroergeschwader), Flugbereitschaft Kd.Gen.d.dt.L in Finnland (HQ German Airforce Finland) A3+ = KG 200 (200 Special Duties Wing), Versuchskdo. 200 (200 Trials Unit), Versuchskdo. 36 (36 Trial Unit) A4+ = with squadron letter .A - Luftbeobachterstaffel - 3rd fighter division, spring / summer 1944 A5+ = 1./St.G.1 (I./1st Dive Bomber Wing), SG 1 (1st Assault Wing) A6+ = Aufkl.Gr.120 (120 Reconnaissance Group) A8+ = with the letters .H+.K seen on a He 111 in february 1942 at Grosetto (arial torpedo trials) B1+ = Transport Squadron of I. Air Corps (occasionally also called Transport Squadron "Don") B3+ = KG 54 (54 Bomber Wing) B4+ = Night Fighter Squadron Finland B7+ = Westa 1 (1rd Metrological Squadron) C1+ = Test Centre Peenemünde (Me 163) C2+ = Aufkl. Gr.41 (41st Reconaissance Group) C3+ = Transport Squadron II. Air Corps C5+ = Westa 26 (26th Metrological Squadron)/Lfl.6 with Squadron Letter . H C6+ = KGr.z.b.V.600 (600 Special Duties Battle Group), Tr.FI.St.4 (4th Transport Squadron) C8+ = I.+II./KG.z.b.V.323, TG 5 (I.+II./323 Special Duties Battle Group - 5 Transport Wing) C9+ = NJG 5 (Nachtjagdgeschwader) also NJ 100 (100th Night Fighter Wing) D1+ = SAGr.126 (126 Maritime Reconnaissance Wing), LD.Kdo.65 (65th Courier Detachment) D3+ = 2nd Night Harassment Group D5+ = NJG 3 (3rd Night Fighter Wing), frequently also with the code L1+ D7+ = Wekusta 5 (5th Metrological Squadron; from April 1943 onwards in connection with the code letter "N", previously 1B+ with the squadron letter "H") D9+ = Night Fighter Squadron Norway, temporarily I./NJG 7 E1 - E7+ = Test Centre Rechlin (for Me 163 and Ar 234) E8+ = 1./FKG 50 F1+ = KG 76 (76th Bomber Wing), I./St.G. 76 (I./76th Dive Bomber Wing; using the letter C,M,N,P of the II. Group as those of the I. Group had already been allocated to the I./KG 76 and, from 6.7.1940 onwards, to the III./St.G. 77) F2+ = Erg.(F)Gr. (Long-range Reconaissance Replacment-Group) F3+ = Aufkl.Gr.12 (12th Reconaissance Group) F5+ = NAG 5 (5th Short-range Reconaissance Wing) F6+ = Aufkl. Gr.122 (122th Reconaissance Group) F7+ = I./LLG 2 (I./2nd Glider Assault Wing), SAGr. 130 (130 Maritime Reconaissance Wing; frequently also with the code 6I+) F8+ = KG 40 (40 Bomber Wing), Transport Squadron "Condor" G1+ = KG 55 (55 Bomber Wing) G2+ = Aufkl.Gr.124 (124th Reconaissance Group) G3+ = NJG 101 (101st Night Fighter Wing) G5+ = Transport Squadron V. Air Corps G6+ = KGrzbV.2; 101, 102, 103, 104+105 (2nd, 101st, 102nd, 103rd, 104th+105th Special Duties Battle Group), TG 4 (4th Transport Group), 1st Air Transport Group (Maritime) G8+ = Transport Squadron IV. Air Corps G9+ = NJG 1 (1st Night Fighter Wing), ZG 1 (1st Heavy Fighter Wing; initial formation), NJG 4 (4th Night Fighter Wing; only for a short period of time) H1+ = Aufkl. Gr.12 (12th Reconaissance Group) H4+ = LLG 1 (1st Glider Assault Wing) H7+ = St.G.3 (3rd Dive Bomber Wing), SG 3 (3rd Assault Wing) H8+ = Aufkl. Gr.33 (33rd Reconaissance Group) H9+ = 7th Air Transport Squadron (Maritime) J2+ = NAG 3 (3rd Short-range Reconnaissance Wing) J4+ = 5th and 290th Air Transport Squadron J6+ = KGr.z.b.V 500 (500 Special Duties Battle Group) J9+ = StG 5 (5th Dive Bomber Wing), SG 5 (5th Assault Wing) (previously l./186fh Dive Bomber Wing, carrier-based, from 6.7.1940 onward III. /Dive Bomber Wing 1) K1+ = Messenger Squadron of Ob.d.L. (High Command of Luftwaffe) K6+ = Kü.fl.Gr.406 (406th Coastal Aviation Group) KG 6 (6th Bomber Wing). K7+ = Aufkl.Gr.Nacht (Night Reconnaisance Group) K9+ = Aufkl.Gr.B.d.L. (Reconnaisance Group High Command Luftwaffe) (also T5+) L1+ = I./NJG 3(l./3rd Night Fighter Wing), I. u. IV. (Z)/LG 1 I./IV. (Heavy Fighter)/1st Instruction Wing, also I./5th Dive Bomber Wing (former IV./1st Dive Bomber Instruction Wing) L2+ = LG 2 (2nd Instruction Wing) L5+ = KGr.z.b.V.5 (5 Special Duties Battle Group), 7./Erg. Transportgeschwader (7./Transport Training Replacement Wing) L7+ = seen with +AB-AF on Fi 156, Me 108 and Me 110 M2+ = Kü.fl. Gr.106 (106th Coastal Aviation Group) M3+ = seen on a Ju 52/3m (unit ?) M7+ = Kü.fl. G r.806 (806th Coastal Aviation Group) M8+ = ZG 76 (76th Heavy Fighter Wing - first activation) N1+ = High Capacity Transport Squadron from 30.1.1945 onward N3+ = I./KGr.z.b.V.172 (I./172nd Special Duties Battle Group also 4V+) N6+ = Unit Major Babekuhl N7+ = seen on a Do 18 (unit ?) N9+ = Flugbereitschaft Norwegen (Air Service Norway) P1+ = KGr.60 (60th Battle Group) P2+ = Aufkl. Gr.21 (21st Reconnaissance Group) P4+ = Führungskette X. Fliegerkorps (Staff Flight X. Air Corps), Transportstaffel Fliegerführer Nord (Ost) (Transport Squadron Air Commander North (East) P5+ = Sonderstaffel Trans-Ozean (Special Squadron Transocean), KGr.zbV. 108 (108th Special Duties Battle Group), Kdo. d. Transportfl. Chef See-Norwegen (Command of Chief. Maritim Transport Norway) Q5+ = Westa 27 (27th Metrological Squadron)from October 1943 on, previously 5M+ together with Westa 26 (26th Metrological Squadron)/Lfl. 2 as an Squadron in Southern Greece R4+ = 2 Night Fighter Wing S1+ = St.G. 3 (3 Dive Bomber Wing (also S7+) S2+ = St.G. 77, SG 77 (77 Dive Bomber Wing) (77 Assault Wing) S3+ = KGr.z.b.V.5, Transportgruppe 30 (5th Special Duty Battle Group, 30th Transport Group) S4+ = Kü.fl.Gr.506 (506th Coastal Aviation Group) S7+ = St.G.3, SG 3 (3 Dive Bomber Wing, 3 Assault Wing) S9+ = Erp.Gr.210, (at first 210th Testing Group until April 1941, then 210th Special Battle Group and from 1942 on Heavy Fighter Wing 1 together with 2N+)
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| T1+ = Aufkl. Gr.10 (10th Reconnaissance Group) T3+ = 1./Bordfliegerstaffel 196 (1./Shipboard Squadron 196) T5+ = Aufkl.St.Ob.d.L (Reconnaissance Squadron Commander-in-Chief Luftwaffe) 3.(Einsatz) Ob.d.L. (3rd Operational Squadron Commander-in-Chief Luftwaffe), Aufkl.Gr.100 (100th Reconnaissance Squadron), with last letter U = Wekusta Ob.d.L. (with last letter U = Meteorological Squadron Commander-in-Chief Luftwaffe) T6+ = St.G.2 (2 Dive Bomber Wing), SG 2 (2 Assault Wing) mit letztem Buchstaben Z = St. Erg. St. des VIII FI.Korps (with Z as last letter = Dive Bomber Replacement Training Squadron of VIII. Air Corps). T9+ = Experimental unit (Transport) High Command Luftwaffe, II./Experimental Unit Commander-in Chief Luftwaffe = Circus Rosarious, several special commandos U2+ = Nachtrotte bei der NAG 5 (Night-Flight of 5 Short Range Reconnaissance Wing) U5+ = KG 2 (2 Bomber Wing) U8+ = I./ZG 26 (Erstaufstellung) (I./26 Heavy Fighter Winq (Initial Activation) U9+ = NSG 3 (3 Night Assault Wing) V1+ = Transportstaffel VIII. Fliegerkorps (Transport Squadron VIII. Air Corps) V3+ = seen on a Ju 88 with the Squadron letters L+K in Cognac (France) V4+ = KG 1 (1 Bomber Wing) V7+ = Aufkl.Gr.32 (32nd Reconnaissance Group; during the war they partially used an own code: the squadron number was immediately right of the Balkenkreuz, followed by the letter indicating the aircraft within the squadron, e.g. V7+2G was aircraft "G" within the squadron). W1-W3+ = Me 321 Unit (Cargo Glider) W5+ = Me 321 Unit (Cargo Glider) W7+ = Me 321 Unit (Cargo Glider), NJG 100 (100 Night Fighter Wing) W8-W9+ = Me 321 Unit (Cargo Glider) X4+ = Air Transport Group (Maritime) 222, later also SAGr. 129 (129th Maritime Reconnaissance Group) X8+ = Flugbereitschaft RLM Staaken (Aviation Ministry's Air Service Staaken) Z4+ = Transport Squadron of III. Air Corps Z5+ = seen on a Do 17 (unit unknown) Z6+ KG 66 (66th Bomber Wing) 1B+ = 13.(Z)/JG 5/13. ( )/5th Fighter Wing (only in connection with "X" as the final code letter), 5th Metrological Air Squadron (only in connection with "H" as the final letter) 1G+ KG 27 (27th Bomber Wing) 1H+ KG 26 (26th Bomber Wing) 1K+ NSGr.4 (4th Night Harassment Group) 1L+ seen on a Me 110, Ju 88 and He 219 with the squadron letters L+K at Test Centre Werneuchen. 1R+ Courier Squadron in Finland (perhaps Courier Squadron AOK Lapland?) 1T+ KG 28 (28th Bomber Wing), KGr. 126 (126th Bomber Group) 1Z+ KGrzbV. 1 (1st Special Duties Battle Group), TG 1 Savoia Staffel (1st Transport Wing Savoia-Squadron), III./KGrzbV. 1 (III./1st Special Duties Battle Group) 2B+ 2. Fliegerschuldivision (2nd Air Training Division) 2F+ until March 1940: KG 54 (54th Bomber Wing), 5./KG 28 (5./28th Bomber Wing) 2H+ 210th Trial Unit 2J+ ZG 1 (1st Heavy Fighter Wing; after reforming) 2N+ ZG 76 (76th Heavy Fighter Wing; after reforming), Originally II./ZG 1, from July 1940 onwards III./ZG 76) 2P+ X. Flying Division 2S+ I./ZG 2 (l./2nd Heavy Fighter Wing; after reforming) 2Z+ NJG 6 (6th Night Fighter Wing - from August 1943 onwards) 3C+ NJG 4 (4th Night Fighter Wing), NJG 6 (1-7.1943) 3E+ KG 6 (6th Bomber Wing) 3J+ NJG 3 (3rd Night Fighter Wing) also labelled D5+ 3K+ Luftwaffe Mine Searching Group 3M+ ZG 2 (2nd Heavy Fighter Wing, initial formation) 3U+ ZG 26 (26th Heavy Fighter Wing; initial formation. Also used onferry aircraft by the 6th Fighter Wing from August 1944 onwards) 3W+ NSG 11 (11th Night Harassment Wing) 3X+ II./KG 1 (II./1st Bomber Wing; originally until 18. 9. 1939 I./KG 152 (I./152nd Bomber Wing) 3Z+ KG 77 (77th Bomber Wing: perhaps temporarily also called KG 153 (153rd Bomber Wing) 4A+ IV./ZG 26 (after the dissolution of ZG 26: IV/26th Heavy Fighter Wing in Norway, early August 1944 4B+ Westa 3 (3rd Metrological Squadron) 4D+ KG 30 (30th Bomber Wing), I./KG 25 (l./25th Bomber Wing) 4E+ Aufkl.Gr. 13 (13th Reconnaissance Group: later: 15th Short-range Reconnaissance Wing) 4F+ KGr.z.b.V. 400 (400th Special Duties Battle Group) 4M+ Erg.Z.Gr. (Replacement Group), later I./152nd Assault Wing) 4N+ Aufkl.Gr. 22 (22nd Reconnaissance Group), Westa 3 with Squadron letter "H" 4Q+ Liaison Squadron of 7th Flying Division 4R+ 7./NJG 2 (7./2nd Night Fighter Wing) in spring 1944 the code for this unit was changed from R4 to 4R 4T+ Westa 51 (51st Metrological Squadron) with Squadron letter "H" 4U+ Aufkl. Gr.123 (123rd Reconnaissance Group) 4V+ KGr.z.b.V. 9+106 (9th+106th Special Duties Battle Group), l./KGr.z.b. V. 172 (172nd Special Duties Battle Group), KGr.z.b. V. Neapel (Special Duties Battle Group Naples), TG 3 (3rd Transport Squadron), TG 4 (in April 1945: 4th Transport Squadron) 5B+ 10th Night Harassment Wing (i.e. the renamed II./ 1st Glider Assault Wing as from September 1944) 5D+ Aufkl. Gr.31 (31st Reconnaissance Group) 5F+ Aufkl. Gr.14 (14th Reconnaissance Wing; later also called 14th Short-range Reconnaissance Wing) 5J+ KG 4 (4th Bomber Wing) 5K+ KG 3 (3rd Bomber Wing) 5M+ Westa 26 (26th Metrological Squadron) Lfl. 2, Westa 26 Squadron southern Greece, renamed on 10.6.43 to Westa 27. No Squadron letter were painted on the aircrafts. 5T+ KSG 1 (1st; from 1. 2. 1943 onwards: KG 101 101st Bomber Wing) 5W+ Maritime Transport Group 5Z+ Wekusta 26 (26th Metrological Squadron) with the squadron letter A + H. 6A+ NAG 12 (12th Short-range Reconnaissance Wing) 6G+ St.G. 51 (51st Dive Bomber Wing), the original designation lll./St.G. 51 was still kept after reforming to 11./St.G. 1 on 6.7.1940 6H+ Aircraft Replacement Group (Maritime) Kamp 6I+ Kü.FI.Gr.706 (706th Coastal Reconnaissance Group), KGr.z.b.V 108 (108th Special Duties Battle Group), TG 20 (20th Transport Wing), SAGr. 130 (130th Maritime Reconnaissance Wing) 6K+ Aufkl.Gr. 23 (23rd Reconnaissance Group) 6M+ Coastal Squadron Krim, 11th Reconnaissance Group, plus several machines of the 8th Short-range Reconnaissance Wing at the end of the war 6N+ KG 100 (100 Bomber Wing) aicrafts with the squadron letter "R" were assigned to the 17th test- and instructional unit) 6Q+ Replacement Squadron St.G.2 as 6Q+C. with letters in ascending order. Probably SG 151 6R+ SAGr. 127 (127th Maritime Reconnaissance Wing) 6U+ ZG 1 (1st Heavy Fighter Wing; after reforming) 6W+ SAGr. 128 (128th Maritime Reconnaissance Group), Bordfliegergruppe 128 (128th Shipborne Wing) 6Z+ Transport Group Herzog 1945 7A+ Aufkl.Gr. 121 (121st Reconnaissance Wing) 7J+ NJG 102 (102nd Night Fighter Wing) 7R+ SAGr. 125 (125th Maritime Reconnaissance Group) 7T+ Kü.fl.Gr.606 (606th Coastal Reconnaissance Group), KGr. 606 (606th Bomber Group) 7U+ KGr.z.b.V. 108 (108th Special Duties Battle Group) 7V+ KGr.z.b.V. 700 (700th Special Duties Battle Group) 8A+ 1st Air Transport Group (Maritime) 8I+ 3./(H) Pz. NAG 16 (3./(AC) Anti-tank Squadron, NAG 16 (16th Short-range Reconnaissance Wing)) 8L+ Kü.FI.Gr. 906 (906th Coastal Reconnaissance Group), SAGr.131 (131th Maritime Reconnaissance Wing) 8Q+ Transportgruppe 10, 10th Transport Group, seen on SM 82 (Squadron Unit unknown) 8T+ KGr.z.b.V. 800, später TG 2 (800th Special Duties Battle Group, later renamed 2nd Transport Wing) 8U+ Stab Transportfliegerführer 2 (HQ AOC "Transportfliegerführer 2") 8V+ NJG 200 (200th Night Fighter Wing) 9G+ Ju 52 Formation 9K+ KG 51 (51st Bomber Wing) 9N+ Seen on Fi 156 + Me110 (Unit unknown) 9P+ KGr.z.b.V. 9, 40, 50, 60, Frankfurt+Wittstock (9th, 40th, 50th, 60th Special Duties Battle Group, Frankfurt+Wittstock) 9V+ FAG 5 (5th Long-range Reconnaissance Wing) 9W+ NJG 101 (101st Night Fighter Wing)
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| Njaco, WOW!! Thankyou! That must have been some work compiling that lot... You're right too, paint shades do need to be 'scaled down' according to how the real thing would look from that distance ( and thanks again for the colour tips!) |
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| The Pop-Tart Whisperer ![]() Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: South Jersey, United States
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| I actually was going to type what I have in papers but then decided to do a quick search. Cut and paste from that site. Left a few things out but its pretty good site. A few more profiles there for placement.
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| I'm trying to identify the markings on a FW 190 plastic kit that I'm putting together. It's a Fujimi 1/48 scale and contains a set of decals for 5 aircraft, one of which is a "Black 13" but not "Pips" Priller's, since it has a red rudder and lower engine panel, and a white (JG2?) fuselage band. It has the common eagle motif - including the head - along the fuselage. Please can anyone identify this aircraft and pilot? |
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| We try to answer your question in modelling section. Where you have post the same request.
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| Member | Hi Guys I've just dropped a message on to the modeling section asking for the stuff I've just found here. Thanks again. Dragonsinger |
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| Hi Guys can any one help me find the color chart (chips) by Jerry Crandall from eadge. He was selling the chart of the Luftwaffe colors. I emailed them and he told me it was sold out and was no longer available. Does anyone know of another source. I have the M&M chart but I would like a more complete chart. Thanks Louie |
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| ther is a fuselage emblem on a messerschmitd BF109 that i need a picture of that is of a skeleton 'riding a cicle' with one arm up in the air looks like its about to 'throw a bomb' or something.kind of like a witch riding a broomstk.I have a picture from a ww2 magazine that shows it but very blurryand no info about the squadron.can anyone give a history on that particular emblem.and a clear photo /and or drwing or decal etc.I've looked through various Jagdschwader fuselage emblems to no avail.Thank you. |
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| Maybe this will help, from the book Luftwaffe Emblems 1939-1945 by BarryKetley and Mark Rolfe
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