Werner Mölders Bf 109E

**smithart101** · 09-22-2011 10:32 AM

Werner Mölders Bf 109E-werner-molders.jpg

I wondered if anyone had any comments on my artwork of Werner Mölders Emil. It depicts his a/c on the morning of 20 September, when he downed two Spitfires of No. 92 Squadron (Sgt PR Eyles and P/O HP Hill) between Folkstone and Dover taking his tally of aerial victories to 40

I have only seen one photo of this aircraft which showed the nose area. Some sources (profiles) show a white ring at the rear of the spinner but in the photo I have seen, there doesn't appear to be one?

Also, I'm not confident of the colours of the eagle head emblem although I think the design is correct. Seen various colours but I am inclined towards white on light blue, as in the photo, it's significantly lighter than the yellow of the cowling.

The rudder shows 38 kill bars of course!

Are there any other photos of his Emil that anyone could share?

all comments appreciated thanks!

Simon

**muggs** · 09-22-2011 10:37 AM

Looks great, which software are you using ?

**smithart101** · 09-22-2011 10:54 AM

**Airframes** · 09-22-2011 10:59 AM

Hm. Can't see the pics.

**Njaco** · 09-22-2011 11:20 AM

Just had to do it....

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/air...09s-23216.html (Moelders' Bf 109s)

**Wurger** · 09-22-2011 01:17 PM

Looking very nice. But I'm not sure about the JG51 emblem on the engine cowling. According to my info the one appeared there in mid-April of 1941.

**smithart101** · 09-23-2011 07:18 AM

Wasn't that his 109 F at that period? There appears to be only one photo of his yellow nosed Emil, and that has the eagle head emblem.

**Wayne Little** · 09-23-2011 07:54 AM

One thing i know, regarding the rudder of one of his 109E's W.Nr3737 was that his 40 victories were in 3 rows, 13, 13 and 14 and the Kommodore marking forward of the cross was a Chevron with pointed horizontal bar rather than Chevron / triangle marking.

**Wurger** · 09-23-2011 08:06 AM

According to John Weal's book about JG51 and a pic on page 47 taken at Mardyck airfield on 12 March 1941 Molder's Friedrich was without the unit emblem at that time yet. Also there is the info about introducing the emblem in mid-April 1941 and applying it on engine cowlings of all Bf109E and F of the JG ( page 45 ).
So... it is logical that if there wasn't the emblem applied on the Friedrich in March 1941 it wasn't on his Emil as well. The shot of Molder's Emil of the BoB period ( taken on 31st August 1940 , Pihen airfield) I have seen , can be found in Kagero boog of JG51 vol1 page64. The image shows Bf109E-4 W.Nr.2804 ,32 victory bars on the rudder, the engine cowling without the JG51 emblem there, yellow wing tips. Also the commander's markings ( <-+- ) are different from the one noticed in your rendering. Just single chevron and two lines.
Your kind of commander's markings can be found on Molders' Bf109F in the shot below.

**stona** · 09-23-2011 11:09 AM

I'm with Wayne and Wurger. The artwork,which is very well done indeed,seems to be a composite of one of his Es and an F.
Cheers
Steve

**Airframes** · 09-23-2011 11:24 AM

And I still can't open the pics of the artwork !!

**Wurger** · 09-23-2011 12:01 PM

How about now Terry?

**smithart101** · 09-23-2011 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by Wurger

According to John Weal's book about JG51 and a pic on page 47 taken at Mardyck airfield on 12 March 1941 Molder's Friedrich was without the unit emblem at that time yet. Also there is the info about introducing the emblem in mid-April 1941 and applying it on engine cowlings of all Bf109E and F of the JG ( page 45 ).
So... it is logical that if there wasn't the emblem applied on the Friedrich in March 1941 it wasn't on his Emil as well. The shot of Molder's Emil of the BoB period ( taken on 31st August 1940 , Pihen airfield) I have seen , can be found in Kagero boog of JG51 vol1 page64. The image shows Bf109E-4 W.Nr.2804 ,32 victory bars on the rudder, the engine cowling without the JG51 emblem there, yellow wing tips. Also the commander's markings ( <-+- ) are different from the one noticed in your rendering. Just single chevron and two lines.
Your kind of commander's markings can be found on Molders' Bf109F in the shot below.

Wurger, would you mind posting that photo of the BoB period Emil from the Kagero book as I dont have that. thanks

**smithart101** · 09-23-2011 02:34 PM

This is the photo I used as reference for the front end. Described as 'Molders Messerschmitt 109 during the Battle of Britain'. Is this not correct then?