Early Spit - Aircraft of World War II

cheddar cheese · 02-04-2005, 10:31 AM

Hey guys, does anoyone have a picture of a Spitfire MkI or II, preferably on the ground with the pilot/squadron/ground crew/ANYONE standing near it? Thanks

plan_D · 02-07-2005, 11:20 AM

There you go, a Mk.I with GERMANS stood by it.

cheddar cheese · 02-07-2005, 12:54 PM

Thats ideal, thanks!

the lancaster kicks ass · 02-07-2005, 02:57 PM

wow it's pretty intact..............

BlackWolf3945 · 02-07-2005, 03:59 PM

That's 'Dirty Dick', a Spit I (N3277) of 234 Sqn after force-landing in France, possibly near Cherbourg. Here's some shots of this aircraft during and after markings repaint...

I believe these images are somewhere in the galleries here, although the accompanying info incorrectly states that the aircraft was from 245 Sqn...

Fade to Black...

cheddar cheese · 02-07-2005, 04:06 PM

Wow superb pictures...

Medvedya · 02-07-2005, 04:16 PM

Ha ha! Look at those LW guys having a good look at a superior warbird.

cheddar cheese · 02-07-2005, 04:25 PM

I dont consider the Spitfire superior to a Fw-190

Mind you, being a Mk.I I dont think the Fw-190 would have been around at the time

Nonskimmer · 02-07-2005, 06:18 PM

As big a fan as I am of the Spitfire, I have to say that the very early marks were "good" but not exactly great.

Still, they did the job!

plan_D · 02-07-2005, 09:01 PM

The early Mark Spitfires were great, they were better than the 109Es although in some areas the -109 did have its advantages. I saw an interview with some Spitfire pilot who flew the Mk. I, V and IX in the war...and he loved the V and IX but the thing most he loved about the IX was that it looked like a V. So the Germans would attack in their -190s being happy with the easy prey (thinking its a V) only to be shocked when the IX starts dancing around them at high speeds.

HE said one of his first times up when the IX first came into service, he pulled up above a -109 to see the shock in teh German pilots face as he carried on climbing.

Nonskimmer · 02-07-2005, 09:27 PM

Specifically, I was refering to the Mk.I's and II's. They did a good job against the Emil series 109's they encountered during the BoB, but at that early stage of development they were still somewhat crude. Fabric covered control surfaces in the case of the Mk.I, which tended to balloon at high speeds (such as in a dive), manual landing gear, float carburettors, only .303 machine guns for armament (except for a few Mk.Ib's with 20mm cannons).

I'm a huge fan of the Spit, but IMO it didn't really start to become effective until the Mk.V. Then, she truly began to take off!

plan_D · 02-07-2005, 09:54 PM

I don't think so. The Mk.I and Mk.II were fine for their time period, they moved ahead in the Mk.V and had the Mk.IX catch the -190, then the Mk.VIII before becoming the, in my opinion, supreme Griffon engined Spits.

Nonskimmer · 02-07-2005, 10:41 PM

The Mk.VIII ruled! The Mk.IX was great too.

cheddar cheese · 02-08-2005, 05:21 PM

Mk.XXII is more my kinda thing

plan_D · 02-08-2005, 05:24 PM

Tut..tut...by Mk.22 they were no longer Roman numerials.

02-04-2005, 10:31 AM	#1
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	Early Spit Hey guys, does anoyone have a picture of a Spitfire MkI or II, preferably on the ground with the pilot/squadron/ground crew/ANYONE standing near it? Thanks

02-07-2005, 11:20 AM	#2
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	There you go, a Mk.I with GERMANS stood by it. __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

02-07-2005, 02:57 PM	#4
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	wow it's pretty intact.............. __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

02-07-2005, 09:01 PM	#10
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	The early Mark Spitfires were great, they were better than the 109Es although in some areas the -109 did have its advantages. I saw an interview with some Spitfire pilot who flew the Mk. I, V and IX in the war...and he loved the V and IX but the thing most he loved about the IX was that it looked like a V. So the Germans would attack in their -190s being happy with the easy prey (thinking its a V) only to be shocked when the IX starts dancing around them at high speeds. HE said one of his first times up when the IX first came into service, he pulled up above a -109 to see the shock in teh German pilots face as he carried on climbing. __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

02-07-2005, 09:54 PM	#12
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	I don't think so. The Mk.I and Mk.II were fine for their time period, they moved ahead in the Mk.V and had the Mk.IX catch the -190, then the Mk.VIII before becoming the, in my opinion, supreme Griffon engined Spits. __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

02-07-2005, 12:54 PM	#3
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	Thats ideal, thanks!

02-07-2005, 03:59 PM	#5
BlackWolf3945 Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Pominville, NY Population: 26 Posts: 199	That's 'Dirty Dick', a Spit I (N3277) of 234 Sqn after force-landing in France, possibly near Cherbourg. Here's some shots of this aircraft during and after markings repaint... I believe these images are somewhere in the galleries here, although the accompanying info incorrectly states that the aircraft was from 245 Sqn... Fade to Black...

02-07-2005, 04:06 PM	#6
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	Wow superb pictures...

02-07-2005, 04:16 PM	#7
Medvedya Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 2,386	Ha ha! Look at those LW guys having a good look at a superior warbird.

02-07-2005, 04:25 PM	#8
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	I dont consider the Spitfire superior to a Fw-190 Mind you, being a Mk.I I dont think the Fw-190 would have been around at the time

02-07-2005, 06:18 PM	#9
Nonskimmer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 8,871	As big a fan as I am of the Spitfire, I have to say that the very early marks were "good" but not exactly great. Still, they did the job!

02-07-2005, 09:27 PM	#11
Nonskimmer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 8,871	Specifically, I was refering to the Mk.I's and II's. They did a good job against the Emil series 109's they encountered during the BoB, but at that early stage of development they were still somewhat crude. Fabric covered control surfaces in the case of the Mk.I, which tended to balloon at high speeds (such as in a dive), manual landing gear, float carburettors, only .303 machine guns for armament (except for a few Mk.Ib's with 20mm cannons). I'm a huge fan of the Spit, but IMO it didn't really start to become effective until the Mk.V. Then, she truly began to take off!

02-07-2005, 10:41 PM	#13
Nonskimmer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 8,871	The Mk.VIII ruled! The Mk.IX was great too.

02-08-2005, 05:21 PM	#14
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	Mk.XXII is more my kinda thing

02-08-2005, 05:24 PM	#15
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	Tut..tut...by Mk.22 they were no longer Roman numerials. __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

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