Me 410 - Aircraft of World War II

Njaco · 01-13-2009, 04:23 PM

Against my better judgement and the protestations of my pre-wife, I have joined in on the Group Build in the modelling section. My problem: The subject is a Me 410 of Major Tratt from II./ZG 26 in Feb. 1944. There is some question as to the actual markings of this machine so if anyone has any pics of Me 410s, that would be great and if they happen to be of II./ZG 26 even greater. BTW it should be the 'A' version and early 1944 if possible.

I'll send an autograpphed pic of the model when I win if you can help!

Erich · 01-13-2009, 05:21 PM

ah I gave you the markings, though he may have flown several types with different markings, flying with a chevron single or double would probably have been suicide

Njaco · 01-13-2009, 06:58 PM

I know, Erich and I'm thankful. I'm almost convinced to go with your markings I'm just fishing for confirmation.

Some things don't add up but if it comes down to the wire, I'll use what you suggest.

Wurger · 01-13-2009, 07:45 PM

Two I found.Sources S/S Pub Me410 in action, Militaria Me410.

Maximowitz · 01-13-2009, 07:53 PM

From Messerschmitt Me 210/410 by Petrick and Stocker:

"His 38th victory was also a B17 on 22nd February 1944, making him the leading destroyer pilot. He fell in action over Nordhausen that same day and he and his gunner Oberfeldwebel Gillert were killed in Me 410 A-1 W.Nr. 420410, coded 3U + Blue 1."

Erich · 01-13-2009, 08:09 PM

would not surprise me at all if Tratt's mount had the underwing tanks removed and replaced by twin Br 21's rocket launchers under each wing, as this was standard issue during winter of 44 to almost all Me 410's and Bf 110G-2's

Maximowitz · 01-13-2009, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erich

would not surprise me at all if Tratt's mount had the underwing tanks removed and replaced by twin Br 21's rocket launchers under each wing, as this was standard issue during winter of 44 to almost all Me 410's and Bf 110G-2's

I think so too. The endurance of the Me 410 on such an operation would have been more than enough. KG 2 and KG 51 did use them for intruder missions over Britain during 1944 from my research.

Edit: There are some very good photographs of II/ZG 26 machines in the book I quote in the earlier post I made. Sadly I do not have a scanner. Perhaps someone else could help who has the book?

Erich · 01-13-2009, 08:23 PM

the ZG's did not have to use underwing fuel tanks like the Bf 110G-2's did for various reasons. Staffeln from ZG 26 and 76 together were spread out enough that they could easily cover the routes taken by the 8th AF in the north and the 15th AF from the south heading into Germany

Airframes · 01-13-2009, 08:25 PM

Haven't got that one, but I'll dig out what I have got, and post later tonight. One I've posted before, but, the more the merrier - or more confusion!

Erich · 01-13-2009, 08:32 PM

oh what the heck ........ it's a B variant but shows the system under the wings

Wurger · 01-13-2009, 08:41 PM

Nice pic Erich.THX for posting.

GrauGeist · 01-13-2009, 09:50 PM

I have a few shots of the Wgr210 that might come in handy, NJ...

Including a nose mount on a B1.

Njaco · 01-13-2009, 10:37 PM

Thanks guys. I was curious about the rockets and that answered my question. And I'm wondering if a blau 1 was on the nose as stated for several of those II Gruppe machines.

Didn't mean to start a whole new thread - just wanted to know if there were any more pics to be had. Thanks!

Erich · 01-13-2009, 10:43 PM

well Terry your second pic is of a Bf 110G-2 being re-armed and the revolving nose launcher was a total failure as an experiment as it never saw combat service. When this thing fired it completely torn the lower nose right off the A/C.

Njaco the blue 1 was not on the nose it would of been an individual squadron letter, too early in the winter of 44, the item was a later 44 mounting on the nose for individual ID for the ground crews

Matt308 · 01-13-2009, 10:52 PM

Jeez, Erich, when is your book(s) coming out man. If you friggin' die with all this information before then, the WWII community will be at a sincere loss.

01-13-2009, 04:23 PM	#1
Njaco The Pop-Tart Whisperer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: South Jersey, United States Posts: 10,237	Me 410 Against my better judgement and the protestations of my pre-wife, I have joined in on the Group Build in the modelling section. My problem: The subject is a Me 410 of Major Tratt from II./ZG 26 in Feb. 1944. There is some question as to the actual markings of this machine so if anyone has any pics of Me 410s, that would be great and if they happen to be of II./ZG 26 even greater. BTW it should be the 'A' version and early 1944 if possible. I'll send an autograpphed pic of the model when I win if you can help! __________________ "If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it's English, thank a soldier!" http://www.njcacoa.org/

01-13-2009, 05:21 PM	#2
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	ah I gave you the markings, though he may have flown several types with different markings, flying with a chevron single or double would probably have been suicide __________________ Rip it up !

01-13-2009, 06:58 PM	#3
Njaco The Pop-Tart Whisperer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: South Jersey, United States Posts: 10,237	I know, Erich and I'm thankful. I'm almost convinced to go with your markings I'm just fishing for confirmation. Some things don't add up but if it comes down to the wire, I'll use what you suggest. __________________ "If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it's English, thank a soldier!" http://www.njcacoa.org/

01-13-2009, 07:53 PM	#5
Maximowitz Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: London, England. Posts: 839	From Messerschmitt Me 210/410 by Petrick and Stocker: "His 38th victory was also a B17 on 22nd February 1944, making him the leading destroyer pilot. He fell in action over Nordhausen that same day and he and his gunner Oberfeldwebel Gillert were killed in Me 410 A-1 W.Nr. 420410, coded 3U + Blue 1." __________________

01-13-2009, 08:09 PM	#6
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	would not surprise me at all if Tratt's mount had the underwing tanks removed and replaced by twin Br 21's rocket launchers under each wing, as this was standard issue during winter of 44 to almost all Me 410's and Bf 110G-2's __________________ Rip it up !

01-13-2009, 08:23 PM	#8
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	the ZG's did not have to use underwing fuel tanks like the Bf 110G-2's did for various reasons. Staffeln from ZG 26 and 76 together were spread out enough that they could easily cover the routes taken by the 8th AF in the north and the 15th AF from the south heading into Germany __________________ Rip it up !

01-13-2009, 08:25 PM	#9
Airframes Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,064	Haven't got that one, but I'll dig out what I have got, and post later tonight. One I've posted before, but, the more the merrier - or more confusion!

01-13-2009, 08:41 PM	#11
Wurger Siggy Master Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 13,974	Nice pic Erich.THX for posting. __________________

01-13-2009, 10:37 PM	#13
Njaco The Pop-Tart Whisperer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: South Jersey, United States Posts: 10,237	Thanks guys. I was curious about the rockets and that answered my question. And I'm wondering if a blau 1 was on the nose as stated for several of those II Gruppe machines. Didn't mean to start a whole new thread - just wanted to know if there were any more pics to be had. Thanks! __________________ "If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it's English, thank a soldier!" http://www.njcacoa.org/

01-13-2009, 10:43 PM	#14
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	well Terry your second pic is of a Bf 110G-2 being re-armed and the revolving nose launcher was a total failure as an experiment as it never saw combat service. When this thing fired it completely torn the lower nose right off the A/C. Njaco the blue 1 was not on the nose it would of been an individual squadron letter, too early in the winter of 44, the item was a later 44 mounting on the nose for individual ID for the ground crews __________________ Rip it up !

01-13-2009, 10:52 PM	#15
Matt308 aka Dickcheese Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Washington State Posts: 13,386	Jeez, Erich, when is your book(s) coming out man. If you friggin' die with all this information before then, the WWII community will be at a sincere loss. __________________ "Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the [U.S.] Marines don't have that problem." -- Ronald Reagan Master of Duplicate Posts

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