ANybody know where this FW190 was

Wurger · 12-10-2007, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Erich

the Fw 190 red 22 that you have was from the 7th staffel.

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Erich dear friend, it was of the 7th staffel or 6th staffel?
Do you mean this "Red22" of 6./Jg301 W.nr.490044?

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Erich · 12-10-2007, 05:02 PM

I'm sorry my hands are too quick, my brain is getting fried at the moment

white - 5th staffel
red - 6th staffel ~ red 22
yellow - 7th staffel
blue - 8th staffel

all this for II./JG 301 flying Fw 190A-8 and A-9's till January of 45 when the gruppe had the Dora 9, the 6th staffel received them in December of 44. 8th staffel never flew the Dora as far as I know but the A variants.

thanks for catching this Wurger that is an interesting werke nummer, and am not so sure that is correct, will check my pics, one of which you hae shown. note the Ju 88G-6 nf's in the background

DBII · 12-10-2007, 05:04 PM

The recon units used light tanks because they were small and fast. The organic arty had to be able to keep up with the recon elements and armor units. Since towed guns could not keep up, the tanks were redesigned to carry the arty. The M8 was a redesigned M5 light tank that carried a 75mm howiter. I can check when I get home if the M8 is listed on the TO&E for the Recon units. The name Stewart was use for both the M3 and M5. It may have been used for the M8 also since they are all the same basic hull design.

Clank Clank, I'm a tank.
DBII

Looks like I am a little late.

Wurger · 12-10-2007, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Erich

I'm sorry my hands are too quick, my brain is getting fried at the moment

I know this I have sometimes the same.

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Originally Posted by Erich

thanks for catching this Wurger that is an interesting werke nummer, and am not so sure that is correct, will check my pics, one of which you hae shown. note the Ju 88G-6 nf's in the background

You are welcome.
In the second pic of the Red22 the werk number is visible partially only.The last three numbers are 044 for sure but the first three ones I'm also not sure.Besides I've also noticed the Ju88G-6 night fighters sitting around.

But I would like to pay your attention to the damages on the Red22 and Fisher's Fw190 rudders.These are a bit different.Besides the Fisher's one don't have a Pitot tube.Is it possible the pic was taken later then the Red22 one?

Wurger · 12-10-2007, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DBII

The name Stewart was use for both the M3 and M5. It may have been used for the M8 also since they are all the same basic hull design..

The M8 howitzer was called "Scott". The M3-M5 tanks were named "Stuart" but not "Steward".

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Originally Posted by DBII

Clank Clank, I'm a tank.

Erich · 12-10-2007, 05:26 PM

yes I noticed a difference in the rudder first off and was questioning in my mind was it the same a/c. then I looked at tail and engine cowling camo and it matches perfectly. from older threads I have pointed out that JG 301 was full of crazy painters and they just applied about everything in their stores to their a/c which made almost each one uniquely different, though the Dora 9's are somewhat consistent if you look at the rudders which change to more greys often and the engine cowlings you will find dark green-brown shades low down or above the exhausts

back to fishers pic it could of been taken earlier than the one you posted Wurger, some hot shot GI may have wanted a little piece for himself or thrown something at the tail........who knows ?

Wurger · 12-10-2007, 05:34 PM

Oh yes !!!!You are right.The GIs could take some pieces as their reminders.
I must admit I tought like you with the camo pattern,At glance it fitted to the Red22 especially on the fin and the engine cowling.So you are right it is the same aircraft.

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Originally Posted by Erich

JG 301 was full of crazy painters and they just applied about everything in their stores to their a/c which made almost each one uniquely different, though the Dora 9's are somewhat consistent if you look at the rudders which change to more greys often and the engine cowlings you will find dark green-brown shades low down or above the exhausts

Therefore I like the Luftwaffe camo patterns.These are very interesting and unique.

Micdrow · 12-10-2007, 05:44 PM

Very cool pictures there fisher972002, I shrank down all the extra white around the pictures, very distracting to look at. Awsome information though guys.

DBII · 12-10-2007, 06:04 PM

Thanks Wurger, I did not know that the M8 had a seperate name. Would you buy that the M5 name error was a typo? I was trying to write between phone calls at work and was distracted. I am new here and it was the first time I could say something of value...lol I guess I blew it.

DBII

Wurger · 12-10-2007, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DBII

Would you buy that the M5 name error was a typo?
DBII

Of course I would.

I also have some problems with these maistakes.Besides some keys on my keyboard are almost invisible with its letters.

I have to buy a new one.

best wishes friend.

Njaco · 12-10-2007, 06:33 PM

My 2 cents as wurger and Erich have the plane covered. Fisher, if the limited knowledge I have about handguns is correct, hold onto that Ruger (or Luger). With the provenance you have it may be very valuable.

Wurger · 12-10-2007, 07:39 PM

Njaco you are right I think Fisher meant the Luger pistole like this in the pic.

Wayne Little · 12-10-2007, 07:48 PM

The W.Nr. for Red 22 is definitely 490044 part of 30 A-9's built at Aslau...I think, at work at the moment so can't check. Can post image of other side tonight showing the W.Nr. and a shot of my Red 22 that I did some time ago and was going to put up on the Baer modelling thread that Erich started....

Wurger · 12-10-2007, 07:54 PM

Hi Wayne,
Is your pic of the another side of the Red 22 of better quality.Unfortunately my one is not enough of this?

Wayne Little · 12-10-2007, 08:24 PM

Wurger, the main image I have is a good quality shot, nice and clear, will post tonight after work.