Bf 109H? - Aircraft of World War II

Njaco · 11-30-2008, 06:01 PM

While going through some of my dad's old photos, I came across this pic. On the back is written:
Bf 109 H
John Caler
Atlanta, Georgia
1967

Photo by John W. Underwood

Anybody know anything about this?

phas3e · 11-30-2008, 07:18 PM

a quick google found this

A Tale of Two Me-109s

Also 'yellow 13' has a section on this and has it as a G-10/U4

Njaco · 11-30-2008, 07:58 PM

Thanks phase! so this pic could be T2-124 along with this pic.

Just did a quick google myself and it appears this is the Bf 109 at the AFM in Ohio on static display. Cool!

www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org - Warbird Registry - Luftwaffe Aircraft

Fact Sheets : Messerschmitt Bf 109G-10 : Messerschmitt Bf 109G-10

Erich · 11-30-2008, 09:39 PM

Njaco

nice sig fits the times, excellent, like yours and Grau's

sorry but very hare to tell due to missing wings just what is on the pics in the cracked up state

GrauGeist · 11-30-2008, 11:18 PM

Thanks Erich, the mood I've been in lately, my sig may be the substitute for the outdoor lights and various decorations this year...lol

As far as I've read, the H model was taken from the F chassis and modified. It is too bad that there aren't any wings attached, since the H's wings were unique. The tail was more pronounced as well. The canopy frame does look late, though.

Perhaps this three-view would help to compare details?

109ROAMING · 11-30-2008, 11:34 PM

Is this a 109H?

phas3e · 12-01-2008, 12:33 AM

Bv155

109ROAMING · 12-01-2008, 12:48 AM

Cheers Phas3e ,I thought it wasn't a 109

Flyboy2 · 12-01-2008, 06:15 PM

Just some pictures of the Bv-155 I came across.. in case your curious. Completely off topic though...

109ROAMING · 12-02-2008, 04:39 AM

Cheers Flyboy2

Flyboy2 · 12-02-2008, 05:43 PM

Anytime man

thewritingwriter89 · 12-02-2008, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyboy2

Just some pictures of the Bv-155 I came across.. in case your curious. Completely off topic though...

kind of looks like a Heinkel-100

thewritingwriter89 · 12-02-2008, 06:50 PM

The Bf-109H was an attempt to make a super-high altitude 109 using existing F airframes. They wanted to make a stop-gap interceptor and reconissance aircraft but better versions of the Ta-152 and 262 were nearing completion in their development cycle so the project was abandoned. The first "H-0" used the 601E and later prototypes used the Jumo 213. Performance was deemed unsatisfactory. And, regarding your photo Njaco, I don't think it would be easy to tell if it was an H unless you were told specifically so, because the extended wings aren't in the picture (granted, your Dad may have actually been told that, or knew that, whatever). Other than that, the fuselage looks looks like a stock late model 109. If it is actually an H, then you have a rare pic my friend.

GrauGeist · 12-02-2008, 07:29 PM

Well, I'm comparing the 3-view with NJ's pic, and there's two things I see that point me towards a late G series.

One, is the tailwheel bulge on the H 3-view, which was to encase the tailwheel assembly to reduce drag. The photo shows a recess, much like the late G had.

The other, is the more pronounced cooler intake in the photo, which again, is consistant with the standard G series. The H had more of a stream-lined configuration to reduce drag.

Other than that, there's really not much to go on

Capt. Vick · 12-02-2008, 09:32 PM

...then it can't be a Bf 109 H. Look where the landing gear is attached. In the picture of the supposed H the gear is attached to the fuselage, while in the 3-view they are well outboard. I have always thought of the H, and the Z for that matter, somewhat of a myth. Just my humble opinion though. I'll take my beating now thank you!

11-30-2008, 07:18 PM	#2
phas3e Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 96	a quick google found this A Tale of Two Me-109s Also 'yellow 13' has a section on this and has it as a G-10/U4 Last edited by phas3e; 11-30-2008 at 07:24 PM.

12-01-2008, 12:48 AM	#8
109ROAMING Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,869	Cheers Phas3e ,I thought it wasn't a 109 __________________ RIP Wigram AFB 1916-1995-2009

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12-02-2008, 06:50 PM	#13
thewritingwriter89 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: In a small space capsule Posts: 113	The Bf-109H was an attempt to make a super-high altitude 109 using existing F airframes. They wanted to make a stop-gap interceptor and reconissance aircraft but better versions of the Ta-152 and 262 were nearing completion in their development cycle so the project was abandoned. The first "H-0" used the 601E and later prototypes used the Jumo 213. Performance was deemed unsatisfactory. And, regarding your photo Njaco, I don't think it would be easy to tell if it was an H unless you were told specifically so, because the extended wings aren't in the picture (granted, your Dad may have actually been told that, or knew that, whatever). Other than that, the fuselage looks looks like a stock late model 109. If it is actually an H, then you have a rare pic my friend. __________________ From the movie "Battle of Britain" 'How much longer? The engine is overheating, and so am I. Either we stand down or blow up. Which do you want?' -the great Michael Caine Last edited by thewritingwriter89; 12-02-2008 at 06:54 PM.

12-02-2008, 07:29 PM	#14
GrauGeist Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Redding, California Posts: 3,979	Well, I'm comparing the 3-view with NJ's pic, and there's two things I see that point me towards a late G series. One, is the tailwheel bulge on the H 3-view, which was to encase the tailwheel assembly to reduce drag. The photo shows a recess, much like the late G had. The other, is the more pronounced cooler intake in the photo, which again, is consistant with the standard G series. The H had more of a stream-lined configuration to reduce drag. Other than that, there's really not much to go on __________________ "Look back over the past, with its changing empires that rose and fell, and you can foresee the future." - Marcus Aurelius, Emperor of Rome > I Support Doug Gillis <

11-30-2008, 09:39 PM	#4
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 11,105	Njaco nice sig fits the times, excellent, like yours and Grau's sorry but very hare to tell due to missing wings just what is on the pics in the cracked up state

12-01-2008, 12:33 AM	#7
phas3e Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 96	Bv155

12-01-2008, 06:15 PM	#9
Flyboy2 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 677	Just some pictures of the Bv-155 I came across.. in case your curious. Completely off topic though...

12-02-2008, 05:43 PM	#11
Flyboy2 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 677	Anytime man

12-02-2008, 09:32 PM	#15
Capt. Vick Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 288	If the three view drawing is correct... ...then it can't be a Bf 109 H. Look where the landing gear is attached. In the picture of the supposed H the gear is attached to the fuselage, while in the 3-view they are well outboard. I have always thought of the H, and the Z for that matter, somewhat of a myth. Just my humble opinion though. I'll take my beating now thank you!

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