Copyrighted photos? - Aircraft of World War II

Udet · 03-08-2005, 02:08 PM

A question to the administrators and operators of the forum:

How are you ensuring the photos posted on the photoalbum of the forum comply with copyright issues?

Not that i am suggesting you hire a god damned attorney (attorneys should be exterminated), nor that you study on copyright regulations, no way.

Not that i am an attorney or the like (attorneys are the most loathesome creatures on earth; the lowest life form one can find). I am sure the world would be a better place without attorneys.

The point is i have seen many phots posted on many threads where posters do not give any credit to the source from which they took them.

I mean, it is very great to see as many photos as possible, but have you considered implementing a rule that will make posters give due credit to the source.

Perhaps that minimum procedure of citing the source for photos posted here could save you from some headaches?

evangilder · 03-08-2005, 02:16 PM

I would tend to agree, and I have been guilty of it myself at times. Fortunately, there have been no problems with it, but I think giving proper photo credits is in order.

cheddar cheese · 03-08-2005, 02:35 PM

We say that as long as we do not claim the pictures as our own, its fine. Also, if a website asks us to remove their photos then we will oblige.

Medvedya · 03-08-2005, 02:57 PM

And there's no money involved, so it would be an extremely petty and micro-minded individual who'd kick up a fuss.

KraziKanuK · 03-08-2005, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Medvedya

And there's no money involved, so it would be an extremely petty and micro-minded individual who'd kick up a fuss.

There are some around.

SimHQ now has a policy that only your own can be posted. A link to the pic is to be given. Does make for a dull board, though.

Medvedya · 03-08-2005, 06:21 PM

I asked my dad (a BBC Journalist) if there was any chance of nastiness, and his response was that for the sort of pics we put up - it's very, very unlikely.

However, if someone's going to be like that then it's far better to back down and not land Horse and Crazy dans la merde.

My personal (non-mod) view is, if someone puts a picture on an internet site freely accessable to the entire planet then what do you expect - honestly.

If it was my site, I would personally wait for a 'cease & desist' letter from a law firm, and if it was from overseas, I would still then find out from a solicitor if they could actually get me from another country.

If they couldn't......

Nonskimmer · 03-08-2005, 07:26 PM

Two words (to them): "Piss off!"

Any questions?

kiwimac · 03-08-2005, 09:41 PM

It is important to source the material you post. I try to do that with each photo I post. Sometimes I fail mea culpa

But

This is a non-profit board
No one is claiming the photos as their own work
No body is attempting to circumvent an author's due profit.

Kiwimac

KraziKanuK · 03-09-2005, 06:11 AM

kiwimac or Medvedya,

contact Olivier Lefebvre who is the Admin of the allaboutwarfare board (http://www.allaboutwarfare.com - butch40sw@hotmail.com) and ask him about the troubles he had with his old board.

I would hate to see this place have to shut down.

"My personal (non-mod) view is, if someone puts a picture on an internet site freely accessable to the entire planet then what do you expect - honestly."

The problem is Medvedya that many of the pics on other sites are not theirs, they are someone elses.

I should add that educational use is OK, afaik, but many do not see sites like yours as educational, for some reason.

Medvedya · 03-09-2005, 07:41 AM

Oh, I would agree, that on a purely legal standpoint we could get roasted.

My views were purely on the morality of it. It would be a really horrible person who would try to kill the site. However, maybe someone should speak to a solicitor and find out where the site stands, and how we can cover our backs.

If a disclaimer is written stating the sites purely educational aims, then perhaps that will do the trick.

evangilder · 03-09-2005, 08:10 AM

You might also look into what is called "Fair Use". “Fair Use” copyright law ( hint; try google) which allows reproduction of a portion or quote from written works, provided the use is not for profit. A usage may be considered “fair,” if that usage is for the purpose of criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research.

I don't know if that includes pictures, but it certainly includes text. This site could definitely be defined as comment, teaching or research. Either way, sourcing your photos could go a long way.

the lancaster kicks ass · 03-09-2005, 12:33 PM

so what shall we say?? from now on can people please post the source of their photo??

cheddar cheese · 03-09-2005, 02:57 PM

There isnt really a need for that. No-ones complained up to now, so why change something that doesnt need altering?

Nonskimmer · 03-09-2005, 03:22 PM

I'd hate to see it become mandatory to include sources with every picture. It just adds a lot of ugly clutter.

cheddar cheese · 03-09-2005, 03:25 PM

Yep. In most cases anywho you can just right-click the picture and click Properties to find the source.

03-08-2005, 02:08 PM	#1
Udet Banned Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,258	Copyrighted photos? A question to the administrators and operators of the forum: How are you ensuring the photos posted on the photoalbum of the forum comply with copyright issues? Not that i am suggesting you hire a god damned attorney (attorneys should be exterminated), nor that you study on copyright regulations, no way. Not that i am an attorney or the like (attorneys are the most loathesome creatures on earth; the lowest life form one can find). I am sure the world would be a better place without attorneys. The point is i have seen many phots posted on many threads where posters do not give any credit to the source from which they took them. I mean, it is very great to see as many photos as possible, but have you considered implementing a rule that will make posters give due credit to the source. Perhaps that minimum procedure of citing the source for photos posted here could save you from some headaches?

03-08-2005, 02:16 PM	#2
evangilder "Shooter" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Moorpark, CA Posts: 15,421	I would tend to agree, and I have been guilty of it myself at times. Fortunately, there have been no problems with it, but I think giving proper photo credits is in order. __________________ For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return. Leonardo Da Vinci

03-08-2005, 09:41 PM	#8
kiwimac Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Deepest Darkest NZ Posts: 1,131	It is important to source the material you post. I try to do that with each photo I post. Sometimes I fail mea culpa But This is a non-profit board No one is claiming the photos as their own work No body is attempting to circumvent an author's due profit. Kiwimac __________________

03-09-2005, 08:10 AM	#11
evangilder "Shooter" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Moorpark, CA Posts: 15,421	You might also look into what is called "Fair Use". “Fair Use” copyright law ( hint; try google) which allows reproduction of a portion or quote from written works, provided the use is not for profit. A usage may be considered “fair,” if that usage is for the purpose of criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. I don't know if that includes pictures, but it certainly includes text. This site could definitely be defined as comment, teaching or research. Either way, sourcing your photos could go a long way. __________________ For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return. Leonardo Da Vinci

03-09-2005, 12:33 PM	#12
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	so what shall we say?? from now on can people please post the source of their photo?? __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

03-08-2005, 02:35 PM	#3
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	We say that as long as we do not claim the pictures as our own, its fine. Also, if a website asks us to remove their photos then we will oblige.

03-08-2005, 02:57 PM	#4
Medvedya Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 2,386	And there's no money involved, so it would be an extremely petty and micro-minded individual who'd kick up a fuss.

03-08-2005, 06:21 PM	#6
Medvedya Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 2,386	I asked my dad (a BBC Journalist) if there was any chance of nastiness, and his response was that for the sort of pics we put up - it's very, very unlikely. However, if someone's going to be like that then it's far better to back down and not land Horse and Crazy dans la merde. My personal (non-mod) view is, if someone puts a picture on an internet site freely accessable to the entire planet then what do you expect - honestly. If it was my site, I would personally wait for a 'cease & desist' letter from a law firm, and if it was from overseas, I would still then find out from a solicitor if they could actually get me from another country. If they couldn't......

03-08-2005, 07:26 PM	#7
Nonskimmer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 8,871	Two words (to them): "Piss off!" Any questions?

03-09-2005, 06:11 AM	#9
KraziKanuK Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 795	kiwimac or Medvedya, contact Olivier Lefebvre who is the Admin of the allaboutwarfare board (http://www.allaboutwarfare.com - butch40sw@hotmail.com) and ask him about the troubles he had with his old board. I would hate to see this place have to shut down. "My personal (non-mod) view is, if someone puts a picture on an internet site freely accessable to the entire planet then what do you expect - honestly." The problem is Medvedya that many of the pics on other sites are not theirs, they are someone elses. I should add that educational use is OK, afaik, but many do not see sites like yours as educational, for some reason.

03-09-2005, 07:41 AM	#10
Medvedya Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 2,386	Oh, I would agree, that on a purely legal standpoint we could get roasted. My views were purely on the morality of it. It would be a really horrible person who would try to kill the site. However, maybe someone should speak to a solicitor and find out where the site stands, and how we can cover our backs. If a disclaimer is written stating the sites purely educational aims, then perhaps that will do the trick.

03-09-2005, 02:57 PM	#13
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	There isnt really a need for that. No-ones complained up to now, so why change something that doesnt need altering?

03-09-2005, 03:22 PM	#14
Nonskimmer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 8,871	I'd hate to see it become mandatory to include sources with every picture. It just adds a lot of ugly clutter.

03-09-2005, 03:25 PM	#15
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	Yep. In most cases anywho you can just right-click the picture and click Properties to find the source.

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