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07-14-2005, 07:28 AM
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07-14-2005, 08:14 AM
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#152 | | "Shooter"
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Country:  | The tail number is sometimes part of the serial number. Sometimes there aren't numbers on the tail, so the Navy markings have always been a bit enigmatic for me. The Air Force kind of plasters them in the same place every time, so they are very easy.
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07-14-2005, 08:47 AM
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Country: | Yeah - on the USN Cosair the BuNo is right under it's tail - so that was easy. I don't know where it is on the FAA Corsair but I could easily work it out 'cos the only other one in the programme is the Goodyear Corsair.
I don't know why the Skyraider isn't in the programme. 
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07-14-2005, 09:56 AM
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#154 | | "Shooter"
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Country: | Maybe it was in "Stealth" mode!  Probably a mistaken omission, or the pilot thought he would crash the party!
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07-14-2005, 10:10 AM
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Country: | He probably crashed the party with his filthy post-war aeroplane! Scum!  
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07-14-2005, 10:16 AM
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07-14-2005, 03:12 PM
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Country:  | You have put on some really nice pictures fellas I am sure all the other guys who where not able to go have got a good flavour of just how exciting a display Flying Legends was well done.
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07-14-2005, 03:23 PM
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#158 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Country: | Ah Sgt. Pilots! What a concept! An NCO flying an aircraft! It makes too much sense!
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07-14-2005, 03:53 PM
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#159 | | "Shooter"
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Country: | I heard that! Ah, for the good old days. Who came up with the idea that a four year degree would make you a better pilot?
Love the shots trackend! 
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07-14-2005, 03:54 PM
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Country: | On a program the other night FBJ that was voting for the best fighter of all time they discussed sgt pilots and how in a officers mess they hung a blanket so the sgts went one side and the commissioned officers went the other One sgt over heard an officer when told that so & so had bought it said "what do you expect using Sargent's to fly planes" to me that says a lot about the class system that persisted in the UK during the war. the guy died fighting that puts him in the highest ranking that I know of. be it right of wrong that they were given the rank of Sargent he deserved more respect than that.
Oh by the way FBJ the Mustang won.
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07-14-2005, 03:55 PM
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Country: | That program was rubbish No EE Lightning. It really annoyed me that program
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07-14-2005, 04:07 PM
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07-14-2005, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by trackend be it right of wrong that they were given the rank of Sargent he deserved more respect than that. | Yep - I know what you're talking about.....
About 5 years ago the base where my Naval reserve squadron was located was holding an airshow. Thanks to one of my Chiefs, I got to fly a T-34 (an old tandem primary trainer) from Edwards AFB to Point Mugu NAS. The aircraft was part of the Edwards AFB flying club and I actually rented it for the show. Because I did this, my Chief arranged for me to be paid for my time that weekend. Well I flew her in wearing my flight suit. On my name plate was displayed my Navy rate badge (the wings and propeller) and my rank (Petty Officer 2nd Class, a Sargent in other worlds). Well my enlisted superiors thought it was great and took great pride in having one of their maintainers fly an aircraft to the airshow, a couple of the squadron pilots took exception to my being there as I was allowed access to VIP areas. It got up to the Command Master Chief and his response was "What's a matter, you're worried that a 2nd Class Petty could do your job, maybe even better!"
I think Sgt. Pilots are a great idea, especially when there are shortages of trained "Officer" pilots. you don't need a college degree to fly an airplane!
PS - GREAT PICS!
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07-14-2005, 04:45 PM
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#164 | | He who does not skim
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Country:  | The USAAF very briefly employed NCO (or warrant officer, I can't remember. Maybe both.) pilots in 1942. It didn't last very long, and before any of them even reached the war zone they were all made 2nd lieutenants.
The British class system was pretty rigid and like trackie says, NCO pilots were often considered inferior by the officers. Tell that to Buzz Beurling.
According to my grandad and many books that I've read, it wasn't quite that bad in the RCAF. There were certainly prickish, arrogant officers, but they were more the exception than the rule when the bullets started flying.
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07-14-2005, 05:01 PM
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| The attitude to rank I have always found interesting. In the RAF on bombers with large crews, the person who flew the plane was in charge once they were on board irrespective of rank. So a Sargent could be in command of an officer. In the USA I think I am right in saying that the pilots were always the highest ranks on the plane so there wasn't a problem. In the German air force I believe that the person in charge was the one with the highest rank no matter what his position.
As the UK was seen as having the strictest class system, it has intrigued me that we had the most flexible set up. | |
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