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Aircraft Pictures Discuss Kyushu J7W1 Shinden canard prototype in the World War II - Aviation forums; Originally Posted by Parmigiano Would be interesting if some of the 'technical' guys in the forum could give some information ...


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Old 07-28-2006, 09:40 AM   #16
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Would be interesting if some of the 'technical' guys in the forum could give some information about the aerodynamical/handling/efficiency (presumed) superiority of the canard configuration.
On the handling I agree...the center o gravity (cg) is long before the nutral point of the wing...so the plane is more responsive to the controls like having the CG moved a little back on normal configuration.
In Rc-sailplanes we move back the CG just a little before the plane is unstable to have faster turning and good acro..
On the side of efficiency I don't agree so much.
Most of the airfoils fly "better" with the cg on 25/30% of the mean aerodynamic chord ...for autostable foils we are around 12/17%.
In a canard configuration the Cg is really near the leading edge of the wing...so rotating moment would be very high and the stab would need a very big longitudinal anhedral to compensate...


Also I seem to remember to have read they cannot have flaps

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Old 07-28-2006, 06:25 PM   #17
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I would love to had seen it with a pair of bmw 003d.
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Old 08-07-2006, 01:40 PM   #18
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Looks to me like it has "Engine Overheat" written all over it.
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Old 09-27-2007, 12:58 PM   #19
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I Love the Shinden! I don't care how many problems it had. It's just the design I love. I play a video game where you can buy a shinden to fly. It's for the NDS it's called Freedom Wings. Everyone says it stinks, but I like it just the same. Thanks for posting that painting, Aggie 08. I'm keeping that one. It's the picture in my desktop now.
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shinden video:

YouTube - Type18 SHINDEN the experimental fighter

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Old 09-27-2007, 03:27 PM   #21
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I've seen that one b4, comiso. I was researching the plane and came across the video in this forum. Interesting nontheless!
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I'd forgotten about this thread. Thanks to Hartmann for crediting that beautiful painting to Koike Shigeo. It really is an awesome image.

I wonder if it would have been more susceptible to battle damage as the engine would likely be the first part of the plane hit in air to air combat.
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Oh, yeah... Hadn't thought about that. I still love that machine.
I hope I can get to the Smithsonian to see it for myself.
Well, thanks Hartmann for finding that painting. It's beautiful.
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I wonder if the American changing B29 tactics from High altitude bombing to low altitude affect Japanese aircraft development. I can see the Shinden being useful if it has to climb to high altitude but I think it would get chewed up by escorts at lowers altitudes .
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I've been researching this plane a lot, so I've seen that one b4.
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