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| Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006
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| Kyushu J7W1 Shinden canard prototype its always fascinated me - would love too have seen it developed ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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| Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Queensland
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| Nice pics! I never realised how big that thing was.
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| Senior Member | Nice plane, any info on it? BTW, nice avatar Badsight
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| this is all the info i have in my Shinden text file : Wingspan 11.1 m (36 ft 6 in) Length 9.7 m (31 ft 8 in) Height 3.9 m (12 ft 10 in) Weight Empty, 3,645 kg (7,639 lb Japan's J7W1 Shinden was the only World War II aircraft of canard configuration that any combatant ordered into production. Canard is a French term. The original meaning is obscure but aircraft designers used it then, as now, to describe an aircraft with the main wing mounted at the rear of the fuselage and a smaller wing at the front. In the United States, the Curtiss-Wright company and the Army Air Corps also experimented with a canard aircraft, the Curtiss XP-55 Ascender (see NASM collection). However, the J7W1 was apparently a more capable design. Though innovative and unusual, neither airplane progressed past the prototype stage. Captain Masaoki Tsuruno fathered the Shinden. A member of the Technical Staff of the Japanese Navy, he envisioned a radical design to counter new Allied aircraft with superior performance over existing Japanese types. From the beginning, Tsuruno believed a turbojet engine would propel the ultimate Shinden. To prove the fundamental concept, the staff of the First Naval Air Technical Arsenal based at Yokosuka, designed and built three MXY6 canard gliders out of wood. These aircraft began flight trials in the fall of 1943. They featured a moderately swept wing with two vertical tail surfaces mounted on the main wing inboard of the ailerons. The Navy later powered one glider with a small 4-cylinder engine. After a promising series of tests, it was time to build and test a pre-production prototype. The Navy ordered the Kyushu Hikoki K. K. firm to design a high-performance, canard interceptor despite the company's lack of experience with such unorthodox aircraft. Availability, not expertise, dictated this choice. Firms that were more capable were already operating at full capacity and could not accommodate a brand new aircraft design. The Navy had to reinforce the Kyushu design staff with additional engineers, including Tsuruno, transferred from Kugisho. Work began in June 1944 and the first of two prototypes was finished ten months later. Kyushu engineers mounted the engine backwards inside the rear half of the fuselage. The radial, air-cooled power plant drove a 6-blade, pusher propeller on the end of an extended drive shaft. With the propeller fitted at the tail, it was necessary to use a tricycle landing gear consisting of one wheel and strut mounted under the nose and two under the wings. Today, this arrangement is common but during World War II, most fighter airplanes were equipped with tail wheels. An auxiliary wheel was attached to the bottom of each vertical fin. All five wheels, including the two auxiliaries, retracted after takeoff. Armament consisted of four 30 mm, Type 5 cannon placed in the nose. The weight of these large cannons helped to balance the weight of the engine and propeller at the back of the fuselage. Each gun could fire 450 rounds per minute. This was a very powerful armament package for the time. In an unusual move dictated by the urgent needs of the war, the Navy ordered the Shinden into production even before the first flight. They planned to produce 150 of these machines each month at two production plants. Engine cooling problems, delays in the delivery of critical equipment for each airframe, and nationwide chaos felt in every part of the aircraft industry kept the J7W1 grounded until August 3, 1945. This day, Captain Tsuruno made the first flight. He took the Shinden aloft only twice more, on the 6th and the 9th of August. The war ended six days later. Tsuruno must have suspected that the end was near but he remained a cautious and conservative test pilot. In flight, he never raised the landing gear and the Shinden clocked just 45 minutes of total flying time. These short flights revealed several potentially serious problems. The airplane pulled hard right with applications of full engine power at takeoff and the propeller and drive shaft exhibited strong vibrations. Kyushu also delivered a second prototype but this aircraft never flew. The company was troubleshooting the design and laying out the turbojet-propelled version when the war ended. The NASM aircraft is the first prototype. Naval intelligence specialists dismantled it and shipped the fighter to the U. S. at the end of 1945 for testing and evaluation, along with about 145 other Japanese airplanes. There is no record that anyone ever flew the J7W1 in the U. S. The Navy stored the aircraft and then transferred it to the Smithsonian in 1960. |
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| & the supposed feild notes from the test flights copied from a shinden Internet webpage : Prototype "SHINDEN" flying record Mushiroda Aairport Hukuoka-city Hukuoka-pref. JAPAN <1st test flying> in 3rd Augst 1945 Body conditions Loading goods : Front opportunity gun (dummy) 2 Weight Fuel (internal) : 38L Lubricating oil : 80L Parachute 1 set pilot : Yoshitaka Miyaishi (Kyushu Aircraft Co) -14% ofcenter of gravity position : (It faces an average wing string head.) main wing Flap : 20° front wing flap : 26° Record Takeoff : Boost +300mmHg Engine rotation : 2,700 rpm Exhaust temperature : 650°c Pipe temperature : 200°c Oil temperature : 75 Oil pressure : 6 Fuel pressure : 1.6 A raising rudder is taken with takeoff 100 kt in the above conditions, takeoff with speed 105 kt. Takeoff operation is easy Rising: Speed 120 kt Boost +300mmHg Engine rotation 2,700 rpm Exhaust temperature 650°c Pipe temperature 210°c Oil temperature 87 Oil pressure 6 Fuel pressure 1.7 The right inclination by the propeller torque is very much made high. It can't be modified by the Amendment. altitude 400m (level flight). . Speed kt 130 140 130 Boost +300mmHg -100 0 100 Engine rotation rpm 2,400 2,400 2,700 Exhaust temperature c° 700 700 690 Pipe temperature c° 200 220 215 Oil temperature c° 87 87 87 Fuel pressure 1.6 1.7 1.7 Oil pressure 6 6 6 the right inclination by the propeller torque Landing : gliding speed 130 kt Landing operation is difficult due to the inclination by the propeller torque <2nd test flying> in 6th Augst 1945 Body conditions It is the same as the first flight Record Altitude Metre 100 200 300 400 500 Speed kt 120 120 120 135 120 Boost +300mmHg +150 +150 +150 +135 +150 Engine rotation rpm 2,550 2,550 2,550 2,200 2,550 Cowl flap is full open Exhaust temperature c° 660 660 660 660 660 Pipe temperature c° 215 220 230 220 Oil temperature c° 81 89 93 102 97 Oil pressure 6 5.5 5 4.5-3.9 4.9 Fuel pressure 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 Methanol pressure -3 -3 -3 -3 -3 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 1.4 Amendment Full Left Full Left Full Left Full Left Full Left Up amendment Full up Full up Full up Full up Full up The nose falls down though it was amended in the top during the rise. A body leans to the right though it was amended in full left. The rudder is put, and it is high. It was full lowered, and it landed with the rudder because the nose was raised suddenly when a rudder was a little raised to the top just before the landing. Countermeasure A sleeve is set up in the oil cooler. <3ed test flying> in 8th Augst 1945 Body conditions It is the same as the first flight Record Take off : 100 kt with the raising rudder 105 kt with front wheel up 110 kt with take off Boost +300mmHg 2,700 rpm Rising: Speed 120 kt Boost +150mmhg Engine rotation 2,550 Oil pressure 5.5 Fuel pressure 1.3 Exhaust temperature 630c° Pipe temperature 240c° Oil temperature 85c° Inclination 6° The nose falls down as it becomes low rotation though there is no change in the nose due to the increase and decrease of the engine rotation specially. Altitude 400m It can fly horizontally if the nose falls down and a rudder is raised if a fulap is full raised during the level flight. Landing gliding speed 130 kt Inclination 3° Countermeasure Bigger sleeve is set up in the oil cooler Main wing falp 30° Front wing flap is changed to 3° EDIT : actual movie footage of these test flights was taken & can be found on the internet today Last edited by Badsight-; 07-24-2006 at 05:18 AM. |
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| here is the Shinden today - stored at the smithsonium , it is on the backlog for restoration ![]() there was talk of the project actually starting later this year , but i havent heard of anything definate they recently completed the only Curtiss XP-55 Ascender to static restoration & it looks great |
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| Senior Member | Wow, thanks
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| Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Campospinoso (PV), Italy
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| " Canard is a French term. The original meaning is obscure..." canard means 'duck' in French, probably used because this type of configuration reminds a duck flying with the long neck forward and main mass and wings rearward
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There were plans to fit a jet engine. Imagine how futuristic that would look in 1945 pics from: Kyushu J7W "Shinden" - the most advanced and radical Japanese interceptor design. Specification Table for the Kyushu J7W and the Curtiss XP-55 Kyushu J7W - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Last edited by Smokey; 07-24-2006 at 08:45 AM. | |
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| "Shooter" ![]() | Interesting aircraft. Kind of reminds me of the Curtiss XP-55 Ascender.
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| Senior Member | I read somewhere that the Japanese did the canard much better than anyone else. I don't think that there were any specific advantages to this design, other than being a '44-'45 fighter which were all getting faster and deadlier.
__________________ "I had ten rockets on board, and as I wasn't particularly fond of head-on attacks, I salvoed the whole lot at him. The rockets didn't hit him but but they must have scared the bejesus out of him, for he did a steep turn to starboard... I let him have the full blast, all eight fifty-calibers. I had never seen an aircraft completely disintegrate in the air the way this Me-110 did..." Bill Dunn, 406th Fighter Group ![]() Matt |
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| Senior Member | Cool painting. Unsure of the artist, I got it unlabeled from an asian website...
__________________ "I had ten rockets on board, and as I wasn't particularly fond of head-on attacks, I salvoed the whole lot at him. The rockets didn't hit him but but they must have scared the bejesus out of him, for he did a steep turn to starboard... I let him have the full blast, all eight fifty-calibers. I had never seen an aircraft completely disintegrate in the air the way this Me-110 did..." Bill Dunn, 406th Fighter Group ![]() Matt |
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| Hi all, Matt, the painting is from Koike Shigeo, a world famous japanese aircrafts illustrator, he's an awesome artist, you can find lots of his works on Hasegawa aircraft kits boxes Bye Vince |
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wasnt totally to blame - it was loaded with a 400 Hp less Allison than it was supposed to recieve & the extra power-loading may have helped mask its bad handeling somewhat here she is restored ready for roll-out , almost exact to its test flight days ![]() ![]() the only reported fault the Shinden gave from its 3 test flights was strong torque on take-off Last edited by Badsight-; 07-27-2006 at 01:37 AM. | |
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| Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Campospinoso (PV), Italy
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Many German designs had this configuration, but in Germany they decided to stop the development of 'Otto' fighters to concentrate on the more promising jets Defintely a canard configuration has 3 big design advantages: greater visibility, easy taxi and take off (because of the tricycle gear) and weaponry concentrated in the nose without sync gear. Would be interesting if some of the 'technical' guys in the forum could give some information about the aerodynamical/handling/efficiency (presumed) superiority of the canard configuration. I can only say that one of the planes I loved most and wish I could had built is the 'Vary-Eze' by Burt Rutan!
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