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07-27-2007, 10:14 AM
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I havn't been able to id any of these pics.. some of them are officers which would have been documented but i'm not sure how to go about id'ing them.
Also the Messerschmitts have unknown (not known to me markings) i'm guessing they are Spanish war marking but can't be certain. help please!  | 
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07-27-2007, 10:17 AM
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07-27-2007, 10:19 AM
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07-27-2007, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by zuluecho  I havn't been able to id any of these pics.. some of them are officers which would have been documented but i'm not sure how to go about id'ing them.
Also the Messerschmitts have unknown (not known to me markings) i'm guessing they are Spanish war marking but can't be certain. help please! | Hi mate,
Nice stuff there.
As memory serves, these officers aren't Spaniards,they are Bulgarian pilots and these markings on aircrafts are also Bulgarian used by them from 1941 to 1944, except the Bf-110C with the German ones.The planes at the pics are ( I can be wrong but some mates from the forum will correct me for sure.) :
1.Bf 109E4
2.Bf 109G6
3.Bf 109E7
4.Bf 110C in German markings
5.Bf 109E7
6.Avia B.534
7.BF 109G6
8.BF 109G6
9.PZL P-24B with early Bulgarian markings that were used from 1938 to 1941.
10.I have to check it
11.Nose of Bf 109G6.
12. Arado Ar-96A
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07-27-2007, 11:56 AM
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07-27-2007, 12:05 PM
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07-27-2007, 12:36 PM
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Country: | 1.Yes, the first pic shows B-17E.
2.Bulgarian Avia B-135B
3.Looking familiar but I cannot recall myself what the type of an aircraft it is. 
4.Messerschmitt Bf-108 Taifun
5. I haven never seen the pic before.Excelent find.The PZL P-24B squadron with Heinkel He-51A one. 
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07-27-2007, 03:00 PM
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07-27-2007, 04:03 PM
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Country: | The second photo on the first post of the for Bulgarian officers are from left to right: Capt. Bochev, Capt. Toplodolski, Lieut. Stoyanov & Krastev. Stoyanov was the leading ace of the Bulgarian Air Force in WWII. | |
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07-27-2007, 06:01 PM
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07-27-2007, 06:05 PM
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07-27-2007, 07:02 PM
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Country: | Traut, I think the profile might be Hungarian.
see - WW II ACE STORIES
The profile you presented shows a white cross whereas the pics show an "X".
Could the He 51s be Spanish, similiar to the Condor Legion? They show a different kind of marking on the fuselage, more like a badge.
check - Escuadrilla Azul
"The Esquadrilla Azul (Blue Squadron) was a small Spanish expeditionary air force that fought on the eastern front (Army Group Center) from 1941 until 1944 with a total of 5 Spanish Squadrons flying BF-109 and later FW-190 which flew a total of 1,918 missions as part of Jagdgeschwader 51 better known as “Molders”.The squadrons worked in succession beginning with the first arriving on June 1941 until the last official one on February of 1944. This is the only Spanish unit to have fought in the Battle of Kursk. Its combat record consisted of 277 air kills and 74 aircraft destroyed, with a loss of seven Spanish pilots, 3 of them missing in action. "
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07-27-2007, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Wurger 1.Yes, the first pic shows B-17E.
2.Bulgarian Avia B-135B
3.Looking familiar but I cannot recall myself what the type of an aircraft it is.
4.Messerschmitt Bf-108 Taifun
5. I haven never seen the pic before.Excelent find.The PZL P-24B squadron with Heinkel He-51A one. | Number '3' is an Arado Ar 65. 
Very nice photos.
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07-27-2007, 10:06 PM
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Country: | No doubt I'm wrong but the B-17 looks like an F model to me. i thought the E had a bird cage styled framing on the nose?
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