aircraft museums

[davparlr]

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Okay the Sinnsheim Museum here in Germany has about 100 - 150 aircraft including Fw-190s, Me-262s, Bf-109s, Spitfire, Hurricanes, B-17, C-47, Me-163, Ju-52 and much much more but just so that I can top you here it has not only a Concorde it also has the Russian version of it, I think it was called the Tu-144(?)

Okay, how about this. The planes of fame museum in Chino, California (near LA). These are only the aircraft that are in flying condition and are flown in demonstrations.
F4U-1
Spitfire XIV, and IXe
P47G
N9MB Flying Wing
P-51 (three)
SNJ-5 (AT-6)
F-86F
B-25J
A6M5 Zero
Mig 15
T-33
P-38J
Hurricane MkX
TBM-3 Avenger
F8F-2
F6F-3
F4F
F3F-3
SBD-5
DC3
Vampire MkIV
P-40N
P-26A Peashooter
P-12E (F4B)

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Dont take me wrong I would really like to see the Museum in Chino but I think the best museums in the world are the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum and the Sinnsheim Museums. Most of the aircraft that you just stated up there except for the P-26 and the N9MB and maybe a few others is at the Sinnheim Museum. The thing that makes it so good is the fact that it is not just about Aircraft at the Sinnheim it is about Military and Technology. They have Rockets, Tanks including Tiger, King Tiger, Panther, they have WW2 German trains, they have V1s, V2s, Uniforms, and other vehicals it is really a great museum.

I will post some pics in a little bit of the museum, I have to go and eat right now.

[davparlr]

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Dont take me wrong I would really like to see the Museum in Chino but I think the best museums in the world are the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum and the Sinnsheim Museums. Most of the aircraft that you just stated up there except for the P-26 and the N9MB and maybe a few others is at the Sinnheim Museum. The thing that makes it so good is the fact that it is not just about Aircraft at the Sinnheim it is about Military and Technology. They have Rockets, Tanks including Tiger, King Tiger, Panther, they have WW2 German trains, they have V1s, V2s, Uniforms, and other vehicals it is really a great museum.

I will post some pics in a little bit of the museum, I have to go and eat right now.

I didn't mean to imply that the Chino museum is the best in the world. I am impressed by the fact that they have so many flying examples. I believe the Zero is the only flying example in the world. Are the examples at Sinnheim flyable? I would love to see the Sinnsheim museum. It sounds right up my ally. So many museum/battlefields, so little lifetime, though. Where is it located? And I still think that, from a presentation standpoint, the Naval Air Museum in Pensacola would be hard to beat.

The Confederate Air Force has some great flying examples too, I think they are working on a Fw190. They probably have more than Chino.

[pbfoot]

thye national museum in canada has some neat birds including a he 162 in its original paint
www.aviation.technomuses.ca/

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I am not sure if any of the WW2 aircraft are flyable at the Sinsheim Museum. I know that most of the aircraft there other than the WW2 were flown to the Museum. You should have seen when the Concorde was brought there a couple of years ago. They flew it into an Airport nearby and then they dismantled it and put it on Semis and drove it down the Autobahn with Polizei escort and then rebuilt it at the Museum. That is the only draw back to the Museum is that it does not have an airstrip. So I doubt that any are in flyable condition now.

The museum is located in Sinsheim, Germany and then another place called Speyer. They actually have 2 museums and both together have about 200 aircraft from WW1 to present day.

I agree though, there are so many museums that I really need to see.

Another museum that I really liked was the US Army Aviation Museum at Fort Rucker Alabama. It was really great especially for Rotary Wing Buffs like myself.

The ones that I have not seen that I must see real soon are:

Chino
Pensacola
The Airforce Museum at Moody AFB (dont think this is the official Airforce Museum but I have read about it and it must be really great)

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by pbfoot

thye national museum in canada has some neat birds including a he 162 in its original paint
www.aviation.technomuses.ca/

They have a He-162 at the Deutsches Museum and the Sinsheim Museum as well.

At the Sinsheim Museum though on of my favorite exhibits is the He-111. I like the winter paint that it is in. Really looks neat. The Bf-110 at Sinsheim is also great it is 110G Night Fighter and painted in the really cool Night Fighter scheme.

[davparlr]

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Another museum that I really liked was the US Army Aviation Museum at Fort Rucker Alabama. It was really great especially for Rotary Wing Buffs like myself.

The ones that I have not seen that I must see real soon are:

Chino
Pensacola
The Airforce Museum at Moody AFB (dont think this is the official Airforce Museum but I have read about it and it must be really great)

Fort Rucker, Pensacola, and Moody AFB. Sounds like your in for a nice tour of the South. If you indeed do that, you might want to drop down and visit Cape Canaveral. I don't think it has an old airplane museum, but it certainly is an historic place. I was fortunate to be able to watch the first night launch of the space shuttle. A stunning sight.

[davparlr]

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

They have a He-162 at the Deutsches Museum and the Sinsheim Museum as well.

At the Sinsheim Museum though on of my favorite exhibits is the He-111. I like the winter paint that it is in. Really looks neat. The Bf-110 at Sinsheim is also great it is 110G Night Fighter and painted in the really cool Night Fighter scheme.

Once, when I was going to my quarters for crew rest at Torrejon AB (Madrid) (we staged at Torrejon in the C-141), I saw fuselage of a He-111 and one of a Ju-52 lying on the side of the road. I was thrilled. That was back in the days of Franco.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Ive allready been to the museum at Fort Rucker when I lived there. I lived in the South for a few years.

[evangilder]

Originally Posted by davparlr

I didn't mean to imply that the Chino museum is the best in the world. I am impressed by the fact that they have so many flying examples. I believe the Zero is the only flying example in the world. Are the examples at Sinnheim flyable? I would love to see the Sinnsheim museum. It sounds right up my ally. So many museum/battlefields, so little lifetime, though. Where is it located? And I still think that, from a presentation standpoint, the Naval Air Museum in Pensacola would be hard to beat.

The Confederate Air Force has some great flying examples too, I think they are working on a Fw190. They probably have more than Chino.

The Zero at Chino is one of at least 3 flying examples of the A6M, but it is the only one that has the original Sakai engine. The Commemorative Air Force (formerly Confederate) has a big collection, but it is scattered amongst many chapters worldwide. The Zero that was at Camarillo, and will return there after the tax deals go through, is part of the Southern California Wing. We also have a C-46 Commando, Spitfire Mk. XIV, PBJ (The only surviving PBJ airframe) in restoration, Hellcat, Bearcat, Yak-3, 2 SNJs and an I-16 on summer assignment.

One of the really cool things about Planes of Fame at Chino is the amount of aircraft that are not only flyable, but actually get flown regularly! The USAF Museum in Ohio is incredible, but they are all static. Yes, it is cool to go see them, but there is nothing like hearing the engines and smelling the exhaust.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Are you guys ever hoping to get more planes maybe some more ETO aircraft such as a Hurricane, Bf-109 or something like that, that are in flyable condition.

[Glider]

The Royal International Air Tatoo is coming up. Strongly reccomend that anyone who can get there should. Takes loads of memory cards, a spare battery, or film AND HOPE THE WEATHER HOLDS.

The following are the participants:- Please note the flying Osprey

Lynx AH7, Gazelle AH1 x4 The Blue Eagles Army Aviation F
Misc. Army Historic Aircraft Flight Army Aviation F

Joint Helicopter Command
Chinook HC1 18(B) Squadron RGE F
Chinook HC1 18(B) Squadron RGE S
Merlin HC3 28(AC) Squadron RGE F
Puma HC1 33 Squadron RGE S
Puma HC1 230 Squadron RGE S
Sea King HC4 846 NAS RGE S
Sea King HC4 848 NAS RGE S

QinetiQ
Alpha Jet Boscombe Down S
Andover C1 (PR) Boscombe Down S

Royal Air Force
Canberra PR9 39 (1PRU) Squadron F
Dakota BBMF F
E-3D Sentry AEW1 8/23 Squadron S
Harrier GR7 x2 20(R) Squadron F
Hawk T1 100 Squadron S
Hawk T1 x11 The Red Arrows F
Hawk T1 x2 208(R) Squadron F
Hercules C3 Marshalls of Cambridge RGE S
Hercules C5 24 Squadron RGE F
Hurricane BBMF F
Lancaster BI BBMF F
Nimrod MR2 201 Squadron S
Sea King HAR3A 203(R) Squadron S
Sentinel R1 5(AC) Squadron S
Spitfire BBMF F
Tornado GR4 x2 XV(R) Squadron F
Typhoon F2 x2 29(R) Squadron F
Vigilant x3 612 VGS S

Royal Navy
Hawk T1 x5 FRADU 'The Black Seahawks' F
Jetstream T2 750 NAS S
Jetstream T2 x2 750 NAS F
Lynx HAS3 815 NAS S
Lynx HAS3/HMA8 x2 'The Black Cats' 702 NAS F
Lynx HMA8 815 NAS S
Merlin HM1 814 NAS S
Merlin HM1 814 NAS F
Sea King ASAC7 849 NAS S
B-1B Lancer 28 BS, 7 BW F
B-1B Lancer 28 BS, 7 BW S
B-52H Stratofortress 11 BS, 2 BW F
B-52H Stratofortress 11 BS, 2 BW S
F-15C Eagle x2 West Coast Demo Team F

US Air Education & Training Command
C-130J Hercules 314 AW RGE S
T-43A Gator 562 FTS S

US Air Forces Europe
F-15C Eagle 493 FS, 48 FW S
F-15E Strike Eagle 48 FW S
F-16CJ 52 FW S
KC-135R 100 ARW RGE S
O/A-10A Thunderbolt 81 FS, 52 FW S

US Air Mobility Command
KC-10A Extender 60 AMW RGE S

US Army Europe
C-12U B Co, 1-214 AVN REGT Army Aviation S
UC-35 B Co, 1-214 AVN REGT Army Aviation S

US Marine Corps
MV-22B Osprey VMX-22 (Bell Helicopter Textron) RGE F
MV-22B Osprey VMX-22 (Bell Helicopter Textron) RGE S

US Navy
'Leapfrogs' US Navy Parachute Team F
E-6B Mercury VQ-4 S
F/A-18F Super Hornet Boeing F
P-3C AIP Orion VP-10 S

USAF Special Operations Command
MC-130H Combat Talon II 7 SOS, 352 SOG RGE S
MC-130P Combat Shadow 67 SOS, 352 SOG RGE S
MH-53M Pave Low III 21 SOS, 352 SOG RGE S

Brazilian Air Force
KC-137 2/2 GT RGE S

Czech Air Force
An-26 241 Dopravniho Letka RGE S
JAS-39C Gripen 211 Takticka Letka S
L159 ALCA 212 Takticka Letka F
L159 ALCA 212 Takticka Letka S
Mi-171 232 Vrtulnikoveho Letka RGE S
Mi-24V 'Hind' 231 Vrtulnikoveho Letka F

Danish Air Force
CL604 Challenger Esk 721 S
EH-101 Esk 722 RGE S

French Air Force
Alpha Jet x10 Patrouille de France F
C-160 Transall TBC RGE S

French Army Air Corps
AS532 Cougar Army Aviation S
F406 Caravan EAAT Army Aviation S
TBM 700 EAAT Army Aviation F

French Naval Aviation
Atlantique 2 21 Flotille S

German Air Force
A310 3./FBS RGE S
C-160 Transall TBC RGE S
Tornado ECR JBG32 S
Tornado IDS TBC S
UH-1D LTG61 RGE S

German Army Aviation
Bo-105 x2 KHR 26 Army Aviation S
CH-53G MTHR 25 Army Aviation S

German Navy
BR1150 Atlantic MFG3 S

Hellenic Air Force
A-7E/H 116 PM S
CL-415 383 MEEA S

Lithuanian Military Air Forces
Mi-8T SAR Helicopter Squadron S

Pakistan Air Force
C-130B Hercules 6 Squadron RGE S

Polish Navy
M-28 Bryza B-1/R 30 Eskadra MW S

Portuguese Air Force
Alpha Jet x2 Esq 103 S

Royal Air Force of Oman
C-130H Hercules 16 Squadron RGE S

Royal Australian Air Force
B707-338 33 Squadron RGE S

Royal Danish Navy
Super Lynx 90 SHT S

Royal Jordanian Air Force
C-130H Hercules Air Lift Wing RGE S

Royal Malaysian Air Force
CN235-220M 21 Skn RGE S

Royal Netherlands Air Force
CH-47 Chinook 298 Squadron RGE S
F-16 x2 306 Squadron F
F-16 x2 TBC S
Fokker 50 334 Squadron RGE S
PC-7 131 EMVO Squadron S

Spanish Air Force
CASA 101 x7 Patrulla Aguila F
CN235 Ala 35 RGE S
EF2000 Ala 11 F

Swedish Air Force
JAS 39A Gripen x2 F7 Wing F
JAS 39B Gripen F7 Wing S

Swiss Air Force
F-5E Tiger II x7 Patrouille Suisse F
F/A-18A Hornet Fliegerstaffel 11 F

Turkish Air Force
F-4E Phantom x2 172 Filo S


A310 FedEx RGE S
EV-97 Eurostar FlyCB Ltd S
Extra 300 x4 Royal Jordanian Falcons F
Extra 400 Bruno Stocker S
Falcon 20 FR Aviation S
Falcon 20 x2 FR Aviation F
Gulfstream 450 Gulfstream S
Hawk Mk 128 BAE SYSTEMS S
Hunter T7 NWMAS S
KDC-10 Global AirTanker Services RGE F
L-39 Albatross NWMAS S
M311 Aermacchi/Finmeccanica S
M346 Aermacchi/Finmeccanica F
MD902 Explorer Wiltshire Police Air Support Unit S
MiG-29OVT MiG F
P-51D Mustang The Fighter Collection ACC Heritage Flight F
PC-12 Pilatus S
PC-12 Pilatus S
PC-21 Pilatus F
PC-21 x2 Pilatus S
Spitfire XIX Rolls Royce F
Strikemaster x2 NWMAS S

Commercial Visitor
ATR-42 Danish Air Transport
Dornier 328 Sky Work AG
Saab 340 Dauair AG

Day Visitor
PA-28 Warrior Nick Breach
PA-28 Warrior x2 BAE SYSTEMS Flying Club
Robinson R44 Alan Smith

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I went to the Air Tattoo a couple of years ago. Was a lot of fun.

[cheddar cheese]

How I'd love to be there...

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

You should go, it is not like it is very far for you to go.