any info on the exp-55 Ascender - Aircraft of World War II

tomsong3320 · 08-09-2006, 04:53 PM

did any of the other nations in ww2 experiment with cannard type aircraft?Hope I spelled that right!

FLYBOYJ · 08-10-2006, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by tomsong3320

did any of the other nations in ww2 experiment with cannard type aircraft?Hope I spelled that right!

Japan.....

grumman-cats · 08-10-2006, 12:16 PM

if your looking for the aircraft itself. The kalamazoo airzoo in michigan has there's restored back to static condition and on display. At least that is what there web site says. I seen the aircraft when it first got there and it was in really good condition. It's on lone from the smithsonian. I havn't gotten down to see it yet but I'm hoping to this year. most likely in the winter months.

Parmigiano · 08-10-2006, 12:53 PM

About WW2 vintage, you may look at the recent thread about the japanese 'Shinden' in this forum,
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/air...type-4615.html (Kyushu J7W1 Shinden canard prototype)
plus some German studies of 'tailless' desings, of which the Henschel 75 was a canard
Henschel Hs P.75 Luft '46 entry

About canards design in general.. they started with the Orville brothers (the 'flyer' was in effect a canard) and they continue today, specially in Europe and Russia: see XF 31, Typhoon, Rafale, Saab Viggen and Gripen, Sukhoi 30, 35 and 37 etc...

the lancaster kicks ass · 08-11-2006, 02:18 PM

I'm a little disgraced no one's mentioned the British M-35 and M-39B

Parmigiano · 08-11-2006, 02:45 PM

Alright, I'll try to recover hoping to have not destroyed our relationship...

Tailless and Canard Experimental Aircraft of the RAF

the lancaster kicks ass · 08-11-2006, 02:49 PM

that's a fantastic site cheers...........

unkated · 08-20-2006, 10:41 PM

You can alos look for the Italian SAI SS4 -
An all-metal canard fighter test-flown 1939-41.

It handled very well, but was too different for easy conversion of existing factories, and the training program was too different, so the Italian Command decided to skip it.

The P-55 Ascender and the SAI SS4's canards had moveable control serviceces; the Japanese Kyushu's canard did not move, and was for stabilization only.

Uncle Ted

grumman-cats · 09-14-2006, 04:24 PM

I went up to the airzoo the other day and saw the xp-55. I was rather surprised at how small the canard was. I have a couple of pics but there not very good.

FLYBOYJ · 09-14-2006, 05:06 PM

Nice shots thought - I think i could see some common parts to the P-40.

I always liked this design, its ashamed it didn't pan out, perhaps a bit ahead of its time. Here a good link on more P-55 info..

Curtiss XP-55 Ascender

sniper34 · 11-17-2006, 10:02 AM

Check out the last two editions of Air Classics.

HealzDevo · 04-18-2007, 12:06 AM

Looks interesting. An interesting field of research. The Me-163 Comet although a rocket plane fits into this as a tailless plane. Not in the same category but it does have all its drive at the back.

evangilder · 04-18-2007, 09:35 AM

You call this tail-less?

red admiral · 04-18-2007, 12:01 PM

Ambrosini SS.4 canard fighter from 1939. Prototype destroyed on landing and not followed up.

HealzDevo · 04-22-2007, 06:49 PM

Okay, I slipped up there. Well unconventional tail anyway as it lacks the side stablizers. Interesting aircraft.

08-09-2006, 04:53 PM	#1
tomsong3320 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Lady Lake Fl USA Posts: 29	any info on the exp-55 Ascender did any of the other nations in ww2 experiment with cannard type aircraft?Hope I spelled that right!

08-10-2006, 12:16 PM	#3
grumman-cats Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 203	if your looking for the aircraft itself. The kalamazoo airzoo in michigan has there's restored back to static condition and on display. At least that is what there web site says. I seen the aircraft when it first got there and it was in really good condition. It's on lone from the smithsonian. I havn't gotten down to see it yet but I'm hoping to this year. most likely in the winter months. __________________ Jim Norton

08-10-2006, 12:53 PM	#4
Parmigiano Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Campospinoso (PV), Italy Posts: 682	About WW2 vintage, you may look at the recent thread about the japanese 'Shinden' in this forum, http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/air...type-4615.html (Kyushu J7W1 Shinden canard prototype) plus some German studies of 'tailless' desings, of which the Henschel 75 was a canard Henschel Hs P.75 Luft '46 entry About canards design in general.. they started with the Orville brothers (the 'flyer' was in effect a canard) and they continue today, specially in Europe and Russia: see XF 31, Typhoon, Rafale, Saab Viggen and Gripen, Sukhoi 30, 35 and 37 etc... __________________ "God is dead" - Friedrich Nietzsche, 1882 "Nietzsche too" - God, Aug 25, 1900 He hoped and prayed that there wasn't an afterlife. Then he realized there was a contradiction involved here and merely hoped that there wasn't an afterlife. - Douglas Adams In those days spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri. - Douglas Adams

08-11-2006, 02:18 PM	#5
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	I'm a little disgraced no one's mentioned the British M-35 and M-39B __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

08-11-2006, 02:45 PM	#6
Parmigiano Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Campospinoso (PV), Italy Posts: 682	Alright, I'll try to recover hoping to have not destroyed our relationship... Tailless and Canard Experimental Aircraft of the RAF __________________ "God is dead" - Friedrich Nietzsche, 1882 "Nietzsche too" - God, Aug 25, 1900 He hoped and prayed that there wasn't an afterlife. Then he realized there was a contradiction involved here and merely hoped that there wasn't an afterlife. - Douglas Adams In those days spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri. - Douglas Adams

08-11-2006, 02:49 PM	#7
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	that's a fantastic site cheers........... __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

08-20-2006, 10:41 PM	#8
unkated Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 7	You can alos look for the Italian SAI SS4 - An all-metal canard fighter test-flown 1939-41. It handled very well, but was too different for easy conversion of existing factories, and the training program was too different, so the Italian Command decided to skip it. The P-55 Ascender and the SAI SS4's canards had moveable control serviceces; the Japanese Kyushu's canard did not move, and was for stabilization only. Uncle Ted

09-14-2006, 05:06 PM	#10
FLYBOYJ IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 16,883	Nice shots thought - I think i could see some common parts to the P-40. I always liked this design, its ashamed it didn't pan out, perhaps a bit ahead of its time. Here a good link on more P-55 info.. Curtiss XP-55 Ascender __________________ > I Support Doug Gillis <

11-17-2006, 10:02 AM	#11
sniper34 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 7	Check out the last two editions of Air Classics. __________________ ' There's someone in my head...but it's not me!"

04-18-2007, 12:06 AM	#12
HealzDevo Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Queensland Posts: 1,251	Looks interesting. An interesting field of research. The Me-163 Comet although a rocket plane fits into this as a tailless plane. Not in the same category but it does have all its drive at the back.

04-18-2007, 09:35 AM	#13
evangilder "Shooter" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Moorpark, CA Posts: 15,426	You call this tail-less? __________________ For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return. Leonardo Da Vinci

04-18-2007, 12:01 PM	#14
red admiral Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 434	Ambrosini SS.4 canard fighter from 1939. Prototype destroyed on landing and not followed up.

04-22-2007, 06:49 PM	#15
HealzDevo Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Queensland Posts: 1,251	Okay, I slipped up there. Well unconventional tail anyway as it lacks the side stablizers. Interesting aircraft.

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