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03-09-2004, 03:23 PM
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when did the f4f- c (20 mm) first fly? any ww22 combat? - aceman | 
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03-09-2004, 04:07 PM
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| Hmmmm...........I do not know that F4F has 20mm cannon gun and all I know that F4U-1C and F6F-5N has 20mm during WWII.
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03-09-2004, 04:25 PM
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| Don't forget the F4U-4Bs Rafe 
Assuming you mean the F4U-1Cs, they were first built in July 1944. 200 F4U-1Cs were built with four 20mm cannons with 220 rpg instead of the 6 .50 calibers. The first F4U-1Cs were delivered on 15 June 1944. Externally they appeared similar to the earlier Corsairs, but they have several important changes. wing bomb racks and everything needed for aerial towing were taken out, and an electric starter replaced the shotgun shell starter. F4U-1Cs first saw combat over Okinawa at the end of the war.
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03-09-2004, 05:56 PM
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| Well, Isnt this about WWII Aircraft? j/k 
F4U-1C was sent to Pacific War in April 1945 I believe and it was not very successfully, because I have learn something there was a few problem like engine failure, gun freeze, etc. There are two squadron which they are using F4U-1C and there are VF-85 and VMF-311.
BTW, F4U-4B did not take part in WWII, but it was used with success in the Korean conflict and if they see action in WWII, It could be Japanese worst nightmare! .
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03-10-2004, 08:15 AM
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| to rafe 35,and archer; thanks for your help. i DID mean the f4u-1c. the f6f-5n also? good to know! this is one heck of a site! thanks. - aceman[/code] | |
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03-10-2004, 10:00 AM
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| Yeah F6F-5N also carry same 20mm cannon and it is Night fighter for US Navy and also few marines use F6F-5N.
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03-10-2004, 11:58 AM
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| Guess what Rafe? Quote: |
On 4 May the first operational cannon-armed F4U-4s [ie F4U-4Bs] to reach Okinawa went into action
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03-10-2004, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Archer Guess what Rafe? Quote: |
On 4 May the first operational cannon-armed F4U-4s [ie F4U-4Bs] to reach Okinawa went into action
| | If that true, then what squadron that equip F4U-4B? 
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03-13-2004, 08:57 AM
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12-06-2004, 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Rafe35 Quote: |
Originally Posted by Archer Guess what Rafe? Quote: |
On 4 May the first operational cannon-armed F4U-4s [ie F4U-4Bs] to reach Okinawa went into action
| | If that true, then what squadron that equip F4U-4B? | If I recall correctly the first operational F4U-1c's went into action on about April 11th, 1945, off the CVE's Breton and Sitko Bay. The F4U-1c was successful in its intended role as ground support attack plane. It was not so successful as a fighter, as the guns tended to freeze above 15,000 feet. Other than the guns, this was an F4U-1d and suffered no engine or other problems beyound those found in the very reliable -1d version.
I've searched in vain for any evidence that the F4U-4C, of which 300 were delivered prior to the end of the War, with first deliveries in January 1945, ever saw combat in WWII. These were apparently redesignated as -4B's after the war, but it is hard to tell exactly what happend to them. If anyone has any evidence they did see action, please post it!
It was really not very significant, as 6 x .50 calibers were not that much inferior to 4 x 20mm, especially against fighters and the relatively light bombers that Japan (or Germany for that matter) were flying in WWII. The main purpose of the 20mm on the -1c corsairs were to defeat Japanese bunkers and pill boxes, which had been specifically designed to be resistant to .50 caliber fire.
The F6F-5's all had universal gunbays for the innermost two positions. However, these were usually only fitted with 20mm cannon for the F6F-5N night fighter variants.
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12-06-2004, 10:58 AM
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12-06-2004, 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by cheddar cheese Dont ever question them on F4U's, if they ever come back they'll muller you... | LOL - I'm quite ready m8. I've researched this plane more than probably any other of WWII, except perhaps the P-51.
It is quite befuddling, 297 F4U-4C's were produced, and delivered sometime in the Jan-Feb 1945 time frame, but there is no trace of what happened to them. There is a tiny tiny shread of evidence (a comment by a crew chief) that they may have ended up operating out of bases in China in summer '45, but it consists of one statement and there is no verification.
Later, after WWII, the F4U-4B shows up, and assumedly the -4C was redesignated as -4B, but even this is not clear.
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12-07-2004, 11:11 AM
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05-04-2005, 04:18 AM
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Country: | F4U-1C and F4U-4 sqadrons
I've read in this board that F4U-1C equipped VF-85 and VMF-311 during WWII.
Was it the only version in those sqadrons, or was it mixed with F4U-1D?
Did F4U-1C equip some other squadrons?
Also, I've read that F4U-4 equipped VF-17 and VMF-214. Anyway I doubt that both squadron brought this version in combat, because VF-17 was still equipped with F6F in its tour on Hornet CV-12 in feb.-june 1945. Also, VMF-214 had a tour on Essex CV-9 from dec.1944 to feb.1945.
But I read in many places that the F4U-4 enterd in combat in april 1945. So, which squadron used F4U-4 in combat?
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