Hendon 1936 - Aircraft of World War II

doglove2005 · 09-28-2009, 02:49 AM

Hi, all, (this is my first try to this forum, so I am sorry if I have any mistakes/rudeness)

I have interest with Hendon Flying Display 1936 and have some questions. I have only One photo of it at P.64 of "The Bristol BLENHEIM A complete history" by G.Warner.
I am very happy if you will give me some suggestions.
My first question is the colour of Hampden K4240. M.Postlethwaite wrote
…The gross green paint and the "wallpapered" nose glazing hardly helped to improve its natural good looks…. in "Hampden squadrons of World War II: in focus" .
What type of "GREEN" was it? Light green? Dark green? Brilliant green?
And what colour was the "wallpaper"? Please give me your ideas, hopefully with colour names from:
JPS MODELL - British Colors
Color Reference Charts -* United Kingdom
British WW2 colors
and so on.
Second question. What is a small aircraft (only wing and fuselage?) between Hampden and Lysander?
The last ask. Are there any books that have many photos of Hendon 1936? Is "Flying at Hendon" by Clive R. Smith have many photos?

Thank you.

Graeme · 09-28-2009, 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doglove2005

My first question is the colour of Hampden K4240. M.Postlethwaite wrote
…The gross green paint and the "wallpapered" nose glazing hardly helped to improve its natural good looks…. in "Hampden squadrons of World War II: in focus" .
What type of "GREEN" was it? Light green? Dark green? Brilliant green?
And what colour was the "wallpaper"? Please give me your ideas

Hi "doglove" and welcome to the forum. Any chance of scanning and uploading the Hendon 1936 line-up photo to identify the "small aircraft?"

According to a 1986 Aeroplane Monthly article, K4240 had the nose panelling covered with aluminium sheeting ("wallpapered") to stop the public at Hendon from peering into the 'secret' bomber and the paintwork was described as "glossy grey-green". Sorry I can't be of any more help.

doglove2005 · 09-28-2009, 06:41 AM

Hi, Graeme.
Thank you VERY much.
I tried to scan and uploard. If I took mistakes, please let me know.

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/alb...n1936LIGHT.jpg
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/alb...6partLIGHT.jpg

"grey green" in 1936(1919-1939 age) might be
Leaf Green RAF FS:34079 FED-STD-595 Federal Standard 595 Color FS 34079
?

Thanks. doglove@with 17th old bitch

Graeme · 09-28-2009, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doglove2005

I tried to scan and uploard.

Thanks doglove but I have absolutely no idea what I'm looking at! Intriguing. It looks as if the rear fuselage and tail are 'missing' and it's grown eyes! Being a Hendon display it must be an RAF type of some description? I've had no success with googling. A logical explanation there must be, but I haven't found it yet.

Tzaw1 · 09-28-2009, 10:12 AM

Flight, July 2, 1936, p. 12

Quote:

It is painted a sombre mud colour, which may signify a revision of official colour schemes.

doglove2005 · 09-29-2009, 12:09 AM

Thank you Graeme! Your illustration makes the shape sure.
I check some books and found there MANY aircrafts are! Single engine, low wing monoplane, squired fuselage.
Miles M.3
Miles M.3A Falcon G-AEEG
Or M.4 (I could not find image)
M.11
Miles Whitney Straight at Defford Air Day - PPRuNe Forums
Airspeed AS.5 (I could not find image)
Percival Gull
File:Jean Batten's Percival Gull.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Percival Vega Gull
PERCIVAL VEGA GULL & PERCIVAL PROCTOR IV photo - Graham Whitehead photos at pbase.com
I once thought it was crushed Vega Gull of Mrs. Beryl Markham, but her flight started September 4.

Hi Tzaw1, thank you very much, too!
I could see Flight 1936-1799 by your help.

"sombre mud colour, which may signify a revision of official colour schemes"
Is this mean later (from 193

"Dark Earth"? "Mud" may not any green.
Difficult!

Tzaw1 · 09-29-2009, 01:37 AM

Flight, July 2, 1936, p. 11

Quote:

there was the Miles Nighthawk two-seater cabin monoplane equipped for blind flying instruction.

Mayby this one.

Graeme · 09-29-2009, 04:40 AM

I think you guys are on the right track. That 'black hole' and 'angry eyes' are most likely two spectators on the port side. Thanks to alcohol, I think I'm seeing things better tonight. The Miles Falcon sounds promising, but shouldn't there be a rooftop window on the port side?

Tzaw1 · 09-29-2009, 06:15 AM

Square rounded? Nighthawk.

doglove2005 · 09-29-2009, 08:46 AM

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BOTH OF YOU!

Graeme · 09-29-2009, 04:49 PM

Hope you don't mind "doglove" but I tried your request on a British based Forum and got some very good feedback. See here...

Hendon 1936 - PPRuNe Forums

A Miles product is certainly a contender and in particular the Nighthawk as TzawI mentioned above and the "walkaround" commentary mentioned by mustpost on the other Forum makes perfect sense. He also mentions the French Simoun which would now be my choice based purely on the absence(?) of top cabin windows.

Cheers.

doglove2005 · 09-30-2009, 04:46 AM

Thank you Graeme for your quest!

I think, it may be the key that " equipped for blind flying instruction" Tazaw1 kindly mentioned. I feel probability that upper part of door had been changed to simple metal plate without window, and paint with black side two pairs of (and might be front) windows for emphasize " equipped for blind flying instruction".
If it was, roof of M7 became looks similar to windowless Simoun.
How do you feel?

Graeme · 09-30-2009, 06:51 AM

I like the Simoun, but your theory sounds good. Pity we have no shots from the other side of the display, eh?

doglove2005 · 09-30-2009, 07:17 PM

I found a good modeling site
47 Miles of Scratchbuilding - Modelling the History of the Miles Aircraft Company - Part 1: Modelling the History of the Miles Aircraft Company
The patterns of walk ways look same to the photo.

And as I seeing another thred, I will obtain Flying at Hendon and will search another shot(s).

Thank you.

09-28-2009, 02:49 AM	#1
doglove2005 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 16	Hendon 1936 Hi, all, (this is my first try to this forum, so I am sorry if I have any mistakes/rudeness) I have interest with Hendon Flying Display 1936 and have some questions. I have only One photo of it at P.64 of "The Bristol BLENHEIM A complete history" by G.Warner. I am very happy if you will give me some suggestions. My first question is the colour of Hampden K4240. M.Postlethwaite wrote …The gross green paint and the "wallpapered" nose glazing hardly helped to improve its natural good looks…. in "Hampden squadrons of World War II: in focus" . What type of "GREEN" was it? Light green? Dark green? Brilliant green? And what colour was the "wallpaper"? Please give me your ideas, hopefully with colour names from: JPS MODELL - British Colors Color Reference Charts -* United Kingdom British WW2 colors and so on. Second question. What is a small aircraft (only wing and fuselage?) between Hampden and Lysander? The last ask. Are there any books that have many photos of Hendon 1936? Is "Flying at Hendon" by Clive R. Smith have many photos? Thank you.

09-29-2009, 12:09 AM	#6
doglove2005 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 16	Thank you Graeme! Your illustration makes the shape sure. I check some books and found there MANY aircrafts are! Single engine, low wing monoplane, squired fuselage. Miles M.3 Miles M.3A Falcon G-AEEG Or M.4 (I could not find image) M.11 Miles Whitney Straight at Defford Air Day - PPRuNe Forums Airspeed AS.5 (I could not find image) Percival Gull File:Jean Batten's Percival Gull.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Percival Vega Gull PERCIVAL VEGA GULL & PERCIVAL PROCTOR IV photo - Graham Whitehead photos at pbase.com I once thought it was crushed Vega Gull of Mrs. Beryl Markham, but her flight started September 4. Hi Tzaw1, thank you very much, too! I could see Flight 1936-1799 by your help. "sombre mud colour, which may signify a revision of official colour schemes" Is this mean later (from 193"Dark Earth"? "Mud" may not any green. Difficult!

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09-28-2009, 06:41 AM	#3
doglove2005 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 16	Hi, Graeme. Thank you VERY much. I tried to scan and uploard. If I took mistakes, please let me know. http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/alb...n1936LIGHT.jpg http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/alb...6partLIGHT.jpg "grey green" in 1936(1919-1939 age) might be Leaf Green RAF FS:34079 FED-STD-595 Federal Standard 595 Color FS 34079 ? Thanks. doglove@with 17th old bitch

09-29-2009, 04:40 AM	#8
Graeme Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,080	I think you guys are on the right track. That 'black hole' and 'angry eyes' are most likely two spectators on the port side. Thanks to alcohol, I think I'm seeing things better tonight. The Miles Falcon sounds promising, but shouldn't there be a rooftop window on the port side?

09-29-2009, 08:46 AM	#10
doglove2005 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 16	THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BOTH OF YOU!

09-29-2009, 04:49 PM	#11
Graeme Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,080	Hope you don't mind "doglove" but I tried your request on a British based Forum and got some very good feedback. See here... Hendon 1936 - PPRuNe Forums A Miles product is certainly a contender and in particular the Nighthawk as TzawI mentioned above and the "walkaround" commentary mentioned by mustpost on the other Forum makes perfect sense. He also mentions the French Simoun which would now be my choice based purely on the absence(?) of top cabin windows. Cheers.

09-30-2009, 04:46 AM	#12
doglove2005 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 16	Thank you Graeme for your quest! I think, it may be the key that " equipped for blind flying instruction" Tazaw1 kindly mentioned. I feel probability that upper part of door had been changed to simple metal plate without window, and paint with black side two pairs of (and might be front) windows for emphasize " equipped for blind flying instruction". If it was, roof of M7 became looks similar to windowless Simoun. How do you feel?

09-30-2009, 06:51 AM	#13
Graeme Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,080	I like the Simoun, but your theory sounds good. Pity we have no shots from the other side of the display, eh?

09-30-2009, 07:17 PM	#14
doglove2005 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 16	I found a good modeling site 47 Miles of Scratchbuilding - Modelling the History of the Miles Aircraft Company - Part 1: Modelling the History of the Miles Aircraft Company The patterns of walk ways look same to the photo. And as I seeing another thred, I will obtain Flying at Hendon and will search another shot(s). Thank you.