La-5 Vs. 109

[plan_D]

Has anyone got any decent comparisons between the La-5 and Bf-109E?
Pictures of both would be nice too...

...thanks in advance.

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Ze 109:

http://www.bf109.com/front.php

http://www.the-battle-of-britain.co....nes/ME109.html

http://www.walruscarpenter.com/bf109e.html

.........and ze La-5:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavochkin_La-5

http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/la-5.html

http://www.internetelite.ru/aircrafts/indexq.html

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.................and some La-5 Pics:





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[The Jug Rules!]

I don't know anything about Russian aviation...Could someone give me a not-so-brief history lesson?

[plan_D]

Thanks for that, HS.

[evangilder]

Nice siggy, Jug!

[the lancaster kicks ass]

i saw a pic of the P-47 from behind today and it looks even bigger than normall............

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Thanks evan...

[cheddar cheese]

Well i dunno about the lesson, but Russia made some good fighters:

Lavochkin La-7
Yakovlev Yak-3
Yakovlev Yak-9

The La-5 was also quite good, but not really outstanding. There were early MiG's too, although the MiG-3 was pretty hopeless. There was also the Polikarpov I-16 in the early years, which was one of the first "modern" fighters. Despite being bettered by the German fighters, German pilots were told on occasions to stay away from them as theyd been used extremely well against the Germans and somehow shot down many 109's! Russia also favoured the use of P-39's, Alex Pokryshin, Russias second leading ace, scored many of his 59 kills in one. They also used P-63 later on in the war.

They also produced the IL-2 Sturmovik, possibly the best ground attack aircraft of the war. They also had a couple of good multi-role planes, the Petylyakov Pe-8 and the Tupolev Tu-2.

Sorry I cant go into more detail, but if any of these planes take your fancy just ask and ill do some more research on it for ya

[The Jug Rules!]

Thanks Cheddar!!

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Welcome

[Brunner]

Originally Posted by cheddar cheese

They also produced the IL-2 Sturmovik, possibly the best ground attack aircraft of the war. They also had a couple of good multi-role planes, the Petylyakov Pe-8 and the Tupolev Tu-2.

Well Pe-8 (TB7) was quite interesting plane. 4 engines with a enormous supercharger in the fuselage, 2000 kg of bombs.
There were only 79 of them. Majority was equipped with radial engines M 82 and not with AM 35 (later AM3 as on most photos.
These planes participated in several air raids (if you can call a flight of 6-7 planes on Berlin or Budapest an air raid...).
Funny thing, during one of those "air raids" on 12th August 1941 they dropped their bombs on Berlin and during the flight home the Soviet AAA's shot at them damaging several planes.
The most famous sortie was a journey of Minister Molotov to Scotland in November 1941 and to Washington in may 1942.

Tu2 was really a good plane, only good russian bomber used in significant numbers during the war.

Many claim that also Pe2 was good, but in fact it was junk. It didn't fit any of the planned roles neither as a fighter nor as a bomber.

When the il2 is concerned, I have very sceptical view on this plane. Of course it was called a concrete plane, etc, but in fact it was very vulnerable (especially its radiator). Apart from that the engines used in Sturmovik, AM 38 was a complete failure. It was, how tu say it, single use engine due to its tendence to overheat.

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Heres a shot of a TB-7 taken from the book "Soviet Combat Aircraft of the Second World War. Volume Two: Twin-Engined Fighters, Attack Aircraft and Bombers" by Yefim Gordon, Dmitri Khazanov and Alexander Medved'.

[Brunner]

impressive birdie
It would be nice to find a pic of TB7 with radial engines. I cannot find it anywhere.
BTW several TB7 planes were used in Arctic after the war. They were supplying Soviet scientific camps there. They had very "high-visibility" painting - wholy orange

[the lancaster kicks ass]

man i'd love to see that...........

and i do kinda like the Pe-8, but only with radials.........