 | Landing and /or stall speed for Junkers 87 g ?| Aircraft Requests Discuss Landing and /or stall speed for Junkers 87 g ? in the Aviation forums; Yes that was an error on my part.... 300 kph..... 186 mph???? Sounds about right, and from the videoclip I ... |
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08-13-2005, 03:55 PM
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#16 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country:  | Yes that was an error on my part.... 300 kph..... 186 mph???? Sounds about right, and from the videoclip I posted, I would say thats around the same speed that -87G pilot is flying at...
The fact that u have to fly slow to locate, line-up and destroy tanks is outweighed by the anti-aircraft situation...
Too slow and ur part of the landscape, thanks to some 19 year old kid sittin on a truckbed...
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08-13-2005, 05:26 PM
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#17 | | the old Sage
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Country: | as a side comment I think I mentoned something like this last fall but at tnight the Ju 87D's of the NSG units would fly by threes to strafe and bomb Allied junctions and MT columns, actually about anything they were tasked too. They did not fly at max speed at mid altitude but a significantly slower speed say around 150mph so the Allied night fighter pursueing would have to stall out or at least overshoot them so the Stuka rear gunner could try if needed get off some MG 81 rounds.
willhave to gather my P-61 ETO histories and look through the Stuak intercepts to find a common spped flown by the German craft, but every P-61 acct. tells of having to slow way down, sometimes dropping the undercarriage and then firing and banking away due to possible collisions.
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08-13-2005, 06:55 PM
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#18 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | The only thing I was saying the Stuka was slow in was landing.
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08-14-2005, 10:15 AM
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| I am grateful for the posts. The item by Neumann is interseting as in the htread on Battlefront some are happy to accept N.'s speed estimate whilst refuting the 87G as a tank killer!. I had maintained that a] as Rudel said fly slow B] and from Flyboys comment on speed that optimum was slower than that.
Depending on the nature of local flak then it could be very slow ...
Anyway one of the curiosities that I ahave found is a reference to a 500kg bomb that contained 78 4kg hollow charge bomblets that could penetrate all Russian tanks. Only one site had this reference to:
"On the Russian front the standard anti-tank weapon was the SD-4-H1 a 4 kg hollow-charge bomblet.Seventy eight were carried inside a 500 kg bomb case.The bomblets could penetrate the thin top armour of any Allied tank-even the massive JS-2s used by the Red Army's in 1945.
I cannot raise anything yet on Googling those ID figures. Any info. Or for that matter any more on Ground Attack in the east. Thanks | |
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08-14-2005, 04:09 PM
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#20 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Erich would be the man for that stuff.
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08-14-2005, 09:12 PM
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#21 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Country: | I found a JU-87 flight manual that I had on CD - I've tried to translate the text. I believe it says this:
"landestrecke bei voll angestellter landeklappe, fluggenicht von 4300kg und windstille; bei anschebegeschwindigkeit VA=150 k/m"
landing distance with fully employees landing flap, fluggenicht from 4300kg and zero wind; with VA=150 anschebegeschwindigkeit k/m
I assume the 150km is the landing speed or the speed you should be "over the numbers."
150 k/m = 93.20 mph.
If you divide that by 1.3 the Stuka would stall at 71.6 mph if Junkers used the 1.3 rule during his design (I guess he did). This data was for a JU 87 B2
My original Quote:
"You can but a flight manual for the JU-87 online (probably a repro). I would guess landing speeds would be about 90 mph, I would guess the thing would stall between 75 - 80 mph." 
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08-15-2005, 05:13 AM
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#22 | | Der Crewchief
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08-15-2005, 06:53 AM
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#23 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet Not bad on your translating there FBJ! | Thanks Adler - couldn't figure out 2 words; luggenicht and anschebegeschwindigkeit.
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08-16-2005, 04:01 AM
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08-16-2005, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by dieseltaylor I am truly impressed by the expertise : ) | 
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08-30-2005, 05:35 PM
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#26 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet Not bad on your translating there FBJ! | Thanks Adler - couldn't figure out 2 words; luggenicht and anschebegeschwindigkeit. | I would have to see the original spelling because these 2 words I am not sure what they are but I have never seen them either.
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08-30-2005, 05:40 PM
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#27 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Country: | I checked the manual and that's the way they are spelled?!?! Mabe words made up by "Dr. Hugo."
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08-30-2005, 06:13 PM
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#28 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I will check some of my dictionaries but I have never seen those words.
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08-30-2005, 09:53 PM
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#29 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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08-31-2005, 07:31 AM
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The correct spelling would be "Fluggewicht" and "Anschiebegeschwindigkeit".
Fluggewicht is flight weight.
Anschiebegeschwindigkeit, that's a bit trickier as I am not an aviator. "Geschwindigkeit" is speed, of course. "Anschieben" is used as a term e.g. when push-starting a car... dunno what that refers to when talking about a plane. | |
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