Looking for info on my great uncle . . . - Aircraft of World War II

fasteagle107 · 10-16-2008, 04:56 PM

Recently, I learned from my Grandmother that her brother - Arthur Grant Sylvester from Sunnyvale, CA - was a P-47 pilot during WWII and was killed during one of his missions. He was apparently shot down over Metz, France on Oct. 26, 1944. His obituary stated he had received the purple heart and air medal.

I'm still shocked that my family never talked about him or even told us grandkids that we had a great uncle killed in WWII. Especially seeing how we have four pilots in the family - 2 with military careers . . .

Anyway, where can I try to find out information about my great uncle?? I have no idea about his service record, what unit he served with, how many missions he flew, etc.

Any advice or information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!!

Jim

mhuxt · 10-16-2008, 05:41 PM

You might have to start at the end and work backwards:

October 1944 USAAF Missing Air Crew Reports

is a listing of all USAAF Missing Air Crew Reports for October 44. There are four for P-47s on the 26th. Sadly, no names on that page, so you may have to order alll four (edit - see below) and go from there.

Once you've got the correct Fighter Group, have a look at the forums here:

ArmyAirForces

There's likely a forum dedicated to the relevant group there, with folks who may be able to direct you further re: searching for info, photos, service records, etc.

HTH

EDIT - I think you can ignore MACR 9628 as that P-47 is listed as lost at Elmersdorf, and the two 366th FG losses don't seem to fit either, according to this page:

366th Fighter Group Assoc - Casualties Cronological

So, you probably want MACR 9629.

Erich · 10-16-2008, 06:08 PM

right O Mark !

there were 4 P-47 losses

362nd fg with one
366th fg with 2
378th fg with 1

the 362nd, 366th were from the 9th Air Force. no clue about the 378th fg.

and TA-DA ! Jim, you're in luck he was in the 378th fighter squadron of the 362nd fighter group. His P-47 had a blue ring on the nose and the code was G8.

He was KIA on mission number 276.

E ~

mhuxt · 10-16-2008, 06:10 PM

Wow Erich, that's speedy!

What's the MACR #? Edit - must be 9629?

Erich · 10-16-2008, 06:21 PM

should be listed on armyairforces site for October 26th, 44. in the database link - missing aircrew reports

mhuxt · 10-16-2008, 06:23 PM

Heheheh:

Duelling posts...

Good chapter of info on 362nd FG operations in here:

http://aupress.maxwell.af.mil/CADRE_...in/zentner.pdf

seesul · 10-17-2008, 12:44 AM

Yep, as already stated here, the best forum when you´re looking for someone is ArmyAirForces.com
If you didn´t do it yet, post your request there...

P-47 losses from that day:

ser. N° date MACR FG FS A/C
42-76137 10/26/1944 9624 366 P-47
42-28295 10/26/1944 9629 378 P-47
42-26919 10/26/1944 9628 362 377 P-47
42-27237 10/26/1944 9623 366 P-47

fasteagle107 · 10-17-2008, 07:47 AM

Guys - thanks for the information and leads. This site truly is amazing!!

I found his personnel record and some other info. Now just trying to fill in the blanks surrounding his service and death. Will probably have to order the MACR in hopes of gleaning some additional information.

Thanks again for all the help. Also, I'm planning on building the 1/48 Tamiya P-47 with his markings (or similar 378th FS markings). I'll post some pics when I get stared on the project.

Here's a sample of my model work in 1/48 scale. Enjoy and thanks again for the help.

Jim

seesul · 10-17-2008, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fasteagle107

Guys - thanks for the information and leads. This site truly is amazing!!

I found his personnel record and some other info. Now just trying to fill in the blanks surrounding his service and death. Will probably have to order the MACR in hopes of gleaning some additional information.

Thanks again for all the help. Also, I'm planning on building the 1/48 Tamiya P-47 with his markings (or similar 378th FS markings). I'll post some pics when I get stared on the project.

Here's a sample of my model work in 1/48 scale. Enjoy and thanks again for the help.

Jim

Beautiful models Jim!
For MACR try this Footnote - The place for original historical documents online

Erich · 10-17-2008, 09:03 AM

Jim my reference was to the 362nd fg history, Mogins Maulers. Sadly it does not have much at all about the mission except to bomb marshalling yards, 15 P-47's on mission.

airboiy · 10-17-2008, 10:17 AM

NICE MODELS!!
Don't use tamiya plastic models-they are cheap. the last tamiya model i built was bust. Get trumpeter of hasegawa p-47, 'cause of the detail and decals. Another good brand is dragon.

mhuxt · 10-17-2008, 03:02 PM

Nice models!

Airframes · 10-18-2008, 09:16 AM

Great to hear you found some info on your great uncle. And, very nice models.

B-17engineer · 10-18-2008, 10:40 AM

Nice work Jim. Working on a diorama right now....bet you can find it somewhere around here.....

Watanbe · 10-20-2008, 04:10 AM

this reveals how impressive this site is! I'm glad you now have some information and hope it provides some closure for your family!

10-16-2008, 04:56 PM	#1
fasteagle107 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 2	Looking for info on my great uncle . . . Recently, I learned from my Grandmother that her brother - Arthur Grant Sylvester from Sunnyvale, CA - was a P-47 pilot during WWII and was killed during one of his missions. He was apparently shot down over Metz, France on Oct. 26, 1944. His obituary stated he had received the purple heart and air medal. I'm still shocked that my family never talked about him or even told us grandkids that we had a great uncle killed in WWII. Especially seeing how we have four pilots in the family - 2 with military careers . . . Anyway, where can I try to find out information about my great uncle?? I have no idea about his service record, what unit he served with, how many missions he flew, etc. Any advice or information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!! Jim

10-16-2008, 05:41 PM	#2
mhuxt Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 215	You might have to start at the end and work backwards: October 1944 USAAF Missing Air Crew Reports is a listing of all USAAF Missing Air Crew Reports for October 44. There are four for P-47s on the 26th. Sadly, no names on that page, so you may have to order alll four (edit - see below) and go from there. Once you've got the correct Fighter Group, have a look at the forums here: ArmyAirForces There's likely a forum dedicated to the relevant group there, with folks who may be able to direct you further re: searching for info, photos, service records, etc. HTH EDIT - I think you can ignore MACR 9628 as that P-47 is listed as lost at Elmersdorf, and the two 366th FG losses don't seem to fit either, according to this page: 366th Fighter Group Assoc - Casualties Cronological So, you probably want MACR 9629. Last edited by mhuxt; 10-16-2008 at 06:09 PM.

10-16-2008, 06:10 PM	#4
mhuxt Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 215	Wow Erich, that's speedy! What's the MACR #? Edit - must be 9629? Last edited by mhuxt; 10-16-2008 at 06:16 PM.

10-17-2008, 12:44 AM	#7
seesul Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Zlin, Czech Republic Posts: 2,856	Yep, as already stated here, the best forum when you´re looking for someone is ArmyAirForces.com If you didn´t do it yet, post your request there... P-47 losses from that day: ser. N° date MACR FG FS A/C 42-76137 10/26/1944 9624 366 P-47 42-28295 10/26/1944 9629 378 P-47 42-26919 10/26/1944 9628 362 377 P-47 42-27237 10/26/1944 9623 366 P-47 __________________ Roman Susil Zlin, Czech Republic ...a friend of Joe Owsianik,So. Plainfield, NJ, a former left waist gunner from B-17G ''Tail End Charlie" from 2ndBG,20th Sqdn who was forced to bail out on Aug. 29th, 1944 over my country.

10-17-2008, 10:17 AM	#11
airboiy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Louisville,KY Posts: 110	NICE MODELS!! Don't use tamiya plastic models-they are cheap. the last tamiya model i built was bust. Get trumpeter of hasegawa p-47, 'cause of the detail and decals. Another good brand is dragon. __________________ "Don't touch it! It's a live grenade!"last words of an anonymous German wehrmact soldier "Today we are ashamed and forgotten, but tommorow we will be heroes and remembered!" Unknown

10-16-2008, 06:08 PM	#3
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 11,113	right O Mark ! there were 4 P-47 losses 362nd fg with one 366th fg with 2 378th fg with 1 the 362nd, 366th were from the 9th Air Force. no clue about the 378th fg. and TA-DA ! Jim, you're in luck he was in the 378th fighter squadron of the 362nd fighter group. His P-47 had a blue ring on the nose and the code was G8. He was KIA on mission number 276. E ~

10-16-2008, 06:21 PM	#5
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 11,113	should be listed on armyairforces site for October 26th, 44. in the database link - missing aircrew reports

10-16-2008, 06:23 PM	#6
mhuxt Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 215	Heheheh: Duelling posts... Good chapter of info on 362nd FG operations in here: http://aupress.maxwell.af.mil/CADRE_...in/zentner.pdf

10-17-2008, 09:03 AM	#10
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 11,113	Jim my reference was to the 362nd fg history, Mogins Maulers. Sadly it does not have much at all about the mission except to bomb marshalling yards, 15 P-47's on mission.

10-17-2008, 03:02 PM	#12
mhuxt Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 215	Nice models!

10-18-2008, 09:16 AM	#13
Airframes Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 11,556	Great to hear you found some info on your great uncle. And, very nice models.

10-18-2008, 10:40 AM	#14
B-17engineer Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: New Jersey..The Garden State! Posts: 9,214	Nice work Jim. Working on a diorama right now....bet you can find it somewhere around here..... __________________ Sh! I'm hunting Wabits! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe36UMRkRbk

10-20-2008, 04:10 AM	#15
Watanbe Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Adelaide Posts: 522	this reveals how impressive this site is! I'm glad you now have some information and hope it provides some closure for your family! __________________

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