Obscure 109's

[Sagittario64]

i know these requests have probably been asked before, but after reading them i still need help with three variants
first is the Bf.109H. the information i find is sketchy, scattered, and is lacking some critical data
if anyone has performance data for the Bf.109H-0/-1, and especially any hint of production/conversion numbers(with sources of the information), i would be grateful
also if anyone knows anything about a Bf.109W, which i have been lead to believe is a floatplane, id be grateful for information about that too.
lastly, the Bf.109K-14, of which 2 are purported to show up in II./JG52's registry, has been doubted to have even existed. was the names in the registries just typos, or were they actually K-14s?

[Njaco]

A few pics are here....

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/air...09s-26425.html (Unusual Bf 109s)

[herman1rg]

6 minute response time, that's slow LOL

[Wurger]

I found something like that for the Bf109K-14

K-14 based on: Bf 109 K-4
alterations:
- changed armament
- changed engine
- 4-blade-propeller
purpose: fighter
wing span: 32,5 ft (9,92 m)
length: 29 ft (8,85 m)
height: 8 ft (2,59 m)
aerodynamic area: 16,4 m˛
weight: 7438 pound (3374 kg)
speed maximum: 453 mph (730 km/h)
service ceiling: 41.000 ft (12.500 m)
engine: Daimler-Benz 605 L (1750 PS) with mechanic 2-stage supercharger
range: 297 nm (550 km)
equipment:
- 4-blade-propeller
- MW 50 equipment
- "Erla-Canopy"
armament: 2 x 13 mm MG 131 (above the engine) 3 x 30 mm MK 108 (one fireing through the spinner, one in each wing)
radio equipment: FuG 16 ZY
further comments: - last known Bf 109 construction - no serial production


A propable appearance....

[Wurger]

The Bf 109W (Wasserflugzeug - Seaplane) was a projekt only and never actually made up during the war.

[Njaco]

The Bf 109W (Wasserflugzeug - Seaplane) was a projekt only and never actually made up during the war.

Wurger, would this be it or not?

[Wurger]

No Mate, I'm afraid. The picture shows Bf 109E-4 with a ski under-carriage ( schneekufen ) that was tested during a trial in January 1941. The plane was crashed after 80 test-flights. After the accident the project was abandoned and never continued.

Regarding the Bf 109K-14 in II./JG52..... the info is untrue rather because no one of the K-14 variant of Messerschmitt was built by the war ending. It is more likely that the unit got two Bf 109K-4s with a two-speed mechanical superchager that was foreseen for DB 605L engine

[Njaco]

Thanks! I thought it was a modified and not a special Mk 109.

[Wurger]

You'r welcome. It seems that it is more likely the variant was the E-8. It can be indicated by these pylon detents under her fuselage and the lack of bulged hatches for wing cannons.



And here the possible view of the Bf 109W

[Njaco]

Excellent!

[Sagittario64]

What was the point of the W model? fighter floatplane in europe? doesnt seem to have much of an advantage to me unless it was intended for operations in norway with its fjords

[Sagittario64]

and with the well known meticulousness of wwii german records of manufacture and information depositories, how is it that no one knows for certain how many H models were produced? even so, uncertain numbers also often have numbered estimates, but the H model is confusing. i havent seen one number, only "limited production" and "small numbers". a small number could be anything. a small number could be anywhere from 1 to 200. especially considering that 12,000 G-6s alone were produced, compared to that, 200 still seems pretty small. even 500 seems relatively small compared to production numbers above 1,000.

[Wurger]

What was the point of the W model? fighter floatplane in europe? doesnt seem to have much of an advantage to me unless it was intended for operations in norway with its fjords

I'm not sure if there was any particular reason for that. Just they considered a such equipment for Bf109. Also a such idea was tested with Spitfire.
And why do you think that the Norway with its fjords could be taken into consideration for operations only? You have forgotten that Nazi German took control over The Baltic Sea, The North Sea, the Mediterranean Sea ( to a certain extent of course ) and a part of the Atlantic Ocean . So it would be possible to use the plane in every water reservoir that would be larger than a puddle.

[Njaco]

and with the well known meticulousness of wwii german records of manufacture and information depositories, how is it that no one knows for certain how many H models were produced? even so, uncertain numbers also often have numbered estimates, but the H model is confusing. i havent seen one number, only "limited production" and "small numbers". a small number could be anything. a small number could be anywhere from 1 to 200. especially considering that 12,000 G-6s alone were produced, compared to that, 200 still seems pretty small. even 500 seems relatively small compared to production numbers above 1,000.

Because even those meticulous records were destroyed during the last months of the war hence sometimes there are no numbers.

[GrauGeist]

perhaps the Floatplane version was meant to replace the Ar196 for service aboard capitol ships?