SM.81

[hartmann]

Plan_D:
I got bored at the first paragraph. And you need to learn something about me, then stop feeling special, I'll insult your country, your culture, your race and your religion no matter which country you come from, your culture, your race or religion. Don't feel so special that you're Spanish and I only pick on Spain - I pick on f*ckin' everyone ...and even Britain doesn't get away from me.

Now, just for you being upset. Here -

And if I know nothing about the Spanish Civil War - you better go tell Antony Beevor he's a liar.

Well, I didn´t tried to make the Spanish race superior to others, and if someone has been injured I´m terribly sorry (Parmiggiano) It was not my intention, I only said a little real facts about the Spanish people (I don´t feel special for been spanish, in fact we have a lot of defects, as U the British), but I don´t consider honest to degradate to other countries as Italy, or Spain in these forums where there is a lot of people which tends to denigrate us, knowing nothing about us. don´t worry, I´m not upset U will need somemore than this to obtain your objetive if it is...
And better than Antony Beevor if he lies (I don´t know because I couldn´t read his new book), why don´t you try to read someothers...
And Why to consider my religion...? I didn´t speak about it

[cheddar cheese]

Originally Posted by Parmigiano

That would be interesting new, I am not aware of that.
Italians had the P108 that we already discussed in the forum, plus some neat seaplane design for sea patrol, but as far as I know no special record in patrol business.

Yes, the R.S.14. I dont think they had anything outstanding in the area, but their seaplanes such as the S.55 were impressive.

[plan_D]

I'm just going to assume both you, Parm and Hartmann, can't read English properly because both you of you completely missed the point of the post I made.

Let me make it more simple, I degrade every nation including my own. Before you jump in two feet first, learn something about the members here. More importantly, if you're going to start trying to wage war with me over what I said about Spain - you've got a lot to learn, and you're going to have a hard time here.

"And better than Antony Beevor if he lies..." means nothing. Unless you are calling him a liar. But I assume that you've never read The Spanish Civil War by him, you should it's a good book. I would know, because I own it.

And by the way, I've been to Spain three times and Gran Canaria three times - enjoyed every trip and find most of the Spanairds I got talking to, to be decent people. But that doesn't mean I'm not going to have a go at Spain. Just ask any member on this site what I think about their country...and you'll get negative answers for every single one of them.

[Parmigiano]

Alright PD, let's straighten it up...
I know how to read english, although it is only my 3rd language (Italian is of course first and French is the second).

You like to to 'degrade every nation', especially when is NOT your own.
That is fine with me, but since you are allowed the right to write things that may hurt other people, this 'other people' has the right to write back things that hurt you, and since you opened fire first you have not the right to get pissed at it. Simple and plain 'as the nose in my face'.

'I am not of your opinion but I would give my life to grant you the right to express it'

(Francois Marie Arouet, better known as Voltaire)

[SM79Sparviero]

The Eyetalians did something useful during The Spanish Civil War??? I dont think serving Raviloi at a Spanish Music Festival counts....

I wish you were right.If Italy had sent only ravioli,truffles,calabrian "nduja",tuscanian "ribollita",caciocavallo ciociaro,sicilian cassata ,napulitan mozzarella in carrozza ,san Daniele ham, barolo Pio Cesare ,Greco di Tufo etc etc to support Francisco Franco 's war and not a whole legionarian "volunteer" armed corp maybe they would have had more resources to face the next war of 1940.

Much worse,some tragical illusions appeared in Spain for Regia Aeronautica and they would have lead to heavy errors for the next war:

Illusion number 1-the biplane fighter could be still considered the lord of the sky on the battlefield .Anyone would have believed it: 500 Fiat Cr 32 were employed , no more than 72 were lost ( from Storia del Novecento, 2005, n. 55), the new up-to-date monoplane I-16 could not face the biplane unless it was managed by very expert usually Russian pilots

Illusion number 2-The fast medium bomber could ridicoulize enemy interceptor fighters without the help of a long range fighter escort.Again, anyone would have believed it: SM-81 had troubles to face i 15 and I-16, but SM 79 could do anything it wanted over Spain , none of them was lost for the action of enemy fighters ( from Aerei nella Storia, Storia Militare various numbers, Dimensione Cielo vol 4-edizioni Bizzarri), few were damaged by fighters, some of them were lost by AA fire.Some I-15s and I-16 interceptors were shot down by the gunners of the trimotors.Bf-109B of Condor Legion had serious troubles to escort SM-79 for the high cruise speed of the latter.

The destiny is ironical sometimes,I think that these would have really been illusion in 1939 but in 1937 SM79 and CR-32 could fly and do what they wanted with impunity over the sky of Britain and USA as in Spain without any serious opponent that were better than Polikarpov fighters.

[plan_D]

How have you attacked me? You've just whined about not degrading countries like a little girl. And, again, ask anyone on here if I degrade my own country. Another person who has a lot to learn about people here is you.

[hartmann]

Referring to :“You've just whined about not degrading countries like a little girl”, To Who is pointed this,to parmiggiano, to me or maybe to bother, eh? if you like, I can be far more rude and brute (in difference to you, we try to be well-mannered people), and then you will be the person which will whine and cry as a girl, because the only people who demonstrates attitude problems, like a Hooligan are you.
Of course, I have my mind open and I am not fanatic, so, why don’t we go to put down the swords and stop to shot to the other, WHITOUT degrading to the others, it is worth for no one.

[ghibli]

Hello,
I'm new to this forum and as I read somewhere that some Italian aircrafts manual would be welcome, here's the part catalog of the SM.81.
Hope it shows and you enjoy

[k9kiwi]

Should be an "entertaining book" judging by the authors attitude to mere mortals.

Can't wait. Can I get a signed copy, you know, the normal endearment will do... "dear XXX F' Off."

[ghibli]

Sorry, still have to figure how to upload it...tried twice but only got "not logged in" messages...

[Micdrow]

Originally Posted by ghibli

Sorry, still have to figure how to upload it...tried twice but only got "not logged in" messages...

Not really sure what the problem could be, maybe one of the web experts would know. I do know if you have a pop up blocker it can interfer with the upload part of the board. At least mine does.

If you cant figure it out you can try and email me. I will gladly post it up there with you name.

Micdrow

[ghibli]

Let's try again...

[Micdrow]

Originally Posted by ghibli

Let's try again...

Hi Ghibil, very interesting stuff you got there, If you have any more manuals I would love to see them. Alot of the manuals that Ive posted are here so enjoy.

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/oth...-systems-tech/

Thank again, would love to see more if you have them

Micdrow

[Eagle]

Here are some spanish SM.81:
Eagle

[Gatt]

Now, whos this guy jumping on italians and/or italians? Plan_D, as far as italians are concerned, do yourself a favour and read books like Chris Dunning's "Courage Alone", Ian W.Walker's "Iron Hulls, Iron Hearts", Paul Addison and Angus Calder's "Time to Kill", P.Caccia Dominioni's "El Alamein" or William G. Schofield and P.J. Carisella's "Frogmen: First Battles". Perhaps you'll understand that italian soldiers/pilots/sailors were as good as others and above all *why* they performed so poorly as an army. I dont care if you jump on the back of your country as well, it only demonstrates how stupid and poorly informed your posts are. BTW, most of the posters here understand, speak and write in two or three languages. What about you?.

More importantly, if you're going to start trying to wage war with me over what I said about Spain - you've got a lot to learn, and you're going to have a hard time here.

LOL, get a life, with more than 10K posts you should get a girl and enjoy real life instead of posting insults here.