unidentified warbird windscreen - Aircraft of World War II

redbird31 · 12-03-2008, 06:09 PM

I have had a warbird windscreen for many years that I thought was from a P51. In recently seeking to verify this, it appears it is from some other aircraft, but none of the experienced people I inquired with can identify it - anyone out there who might know?
It is 1-5/8" thick 7 ply glass laminated, 12-1/2" wide from the base extending up about 6" (parallel width) then tapering to a rounded top with about a 4-7/8" or 5" radius. Total height is 22-7/8". There is an etched marking "LOF-MN" in a lower corner on one face. It is a perfectly flat windscreen in reasonable condition.

Airframes · 12-03-2008, 06:44 PM

Any chance of posting a picture? It would help a lot to actually see it.

FLYBOYJ · 12-03-2008, 10:54 PM

Are there any numbers along the edges?

Wurger · 12-03-2008, 11:21 PM

Could you resize these pics, please? These are too big.

redbird31 · 12-03-2008, 11:22 PM

I can not find any numbers anywhere on the windscreen. The only marking I can find is an etched mark "LOC-MN" in one lower corner that I assume is a Libby Owen Ford
marking.

FLYBOYJ · 12-03-2008, 11:42 PM

I think its from a P-40

redbird31 · 12-04-2008, 12:19 AM

Attached cropped and smaller photos.

redbird31 · 12-04-2008, 10:28 AM

Thanks FLYBOYJ, that will give me some direction to start. Would you happen to know if there is anything like an archived record from Libby Owens Ford Glass company of windscreens they had made during that time? I've just started researching this so haven't gotten very far yet.

Thanks again for your input.

redbird31 · 12-05-2008, 01:23 PM

Have looked at a WW2 aircraft book from the library, and as best as I can tell from the views shown for all the planes, the P40 seems to have somewhat straighter (more parallel) sides. Of course the illustrations may not be completely clear with their shape depictions. The book is "Aircraft of World War II" by Francis K. Bacon.

Views that look possible include planes in the Grumman line - the F4F, and
F6F; Hawker Hurricane MKIIC, B25 lower panel, Northrop P61, and even The Spitfire??

Does anyone know if the P51 D windscreen (that shows a curved bottom edge) in the illustration may actually have a straight lower edge, and that only the frame shape is curved? From a manufacturing standpoint, it would seem easier (less expensive) to fab a straight edge on the thick laminated glass...?

The lower side parallel sections on my windscreen are what make identifying it so much more difficult.

ccheese · 12-05-2008, 01:54 PM

The "LOF" means it was made by Libbey-Owens-Ford, a glass maker of
bygone days. The "MN" could be the place where it was manufactured.

Charles

FLYBOYJ · 12-05-2008, 02:04 PM

Check this out...

Toledo's Attic

ccheese · 12-05-2008, 02:11 PM

Good Find, Joe !!!

Charles

redbird31 · 12-05-2008, 02:50 PM

That is a great lead FLYBOYJ - is your name Joe? Many thanks.

FLYBOYJ · 12-05-2008, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redbird31

That is a great lead FLYBOYJ - is your name Joe? Many thanks.

It is - and my pleasure.

Rocketeer · 01-21-2009, 02:19 PM

My first thought was P40....it certainly is NOT P51A to D, Hurri or Spitfire

12-03-2008, 10:54 PM	#3
FLYBOYJ IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 16,050	Are there any numbers along the edges? __________________ "IF ITS RED OR DUSTY, DON'T TOUCH IT"

12-03-2008, 11:21 PM	#4
Wurger Siggy Master Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 13,972	Could you resize these pics, please? These are too big. __________________

12-03-2008, 11:22 PM	#5
redbird31 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 6	unidentified windscreen I can not find any numbers anywhere on the windscreen. The only marking I can find is an etched mark "LOC-MN" in one lower corner that I assume is a Libby Owen Ford marking. Last edited by redbird31; 12-03-2008 at 11:24 PM. Reason: added location of marking

12-03-2008, 11:42 PM	#6
FLYBOYJ IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 16,050	I think its from a P-40 __________________ "IF ITS RED OR DUSTY, DON'T TOUCH IT"

12-05-2008, 01:23 PM	#9
redbird31 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 6	Warbird windscreen Have looked at a WW2 aircraft book from the library, and as best as I can tell from the views shown for all the planes, the P40 seems to have somewhat straighter (more parallel) sides. Of course the illustrations may not be completely clear with their shape depictions. The book is "Aircraft of World War II" by Francis K. Bacon. Views that look possible include planes in the Grumman line - the F4F, and F6F; Hawker Hurricane MKIIC, B25 lower panel, Northrop P61, and even The Spitfire?? Does anyone know if the P51 D windscreen (that shows a curved bottom edge) in the illustration may actually have a straight lower edge, and that only the frame shape is curved? From a manufacturing standpoint, it would seem easier (less expensive) to fab a straight edge on the thick laminated glass...? The lower side parallel sections on my windscreen are what make identifying it so much more difficult.

12-03-2008, 06:44 PM	#2
Airframes Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,062	Any chance of posting a picture? It would help a lot to actually see it.

12-04-2008, 10:28 AM	#8
redbird31 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 6	Thanks FLYBOYJ, that will give me some direction to start. Would you happen to know if there is anything like an archived record from Libby Owens Ford Glass company of windscreens they had made during that time? I've just started researching this so haven't gotten very far yet. Thanks again for your input.

12-05-2008, 01:54 PM	#10
ccheese Older Than Dirt Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Beach, Virginia Posts: 7,309	The "LOF" means it was made by Libbey-Owens-Ford, a glass maker of bygone days. The "MN" could be the place where it was manufactured. Charles __________________ I can only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look good either.... Last edited by ccheese; 12-05-2008 at 02:10 PM.

12-05-2008, 02:04 PM	#11
FLYBOYJ IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 16,050	Check this out... Toledo's Attic __________________ "IF ITS RED OR DUSTY, DON'T TOUCH IT"

12-05-2008, 02:11 PM	#12
ccheese Older Than Dirt Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Beach, Virginia Posts: 7,309	Good Find, Joe !!! Charles __________________ I can only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look good either....

12-05-2008, 02:50 PM	#13
redbird31 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 6	That is a great lead FLYBOYJ - is your name Joe? Many thanks.

01-21-2009, 02:19 PM	#15
Rocketeer Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Salisbury Posts: 54	My first thought was P40....it certainly is NOT P51A to D, Hurri or Spitfire

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