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Fifteenth Air Force:
* 170 B-17s bomb the Lobau and Schweehat oil refineries at Vienna, Austria; ... |
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07-05-2007, 04:01 AM
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Fifteenth Air Force:
* 170 B-17s bomb the Lobau and Schweehat oil refineries at Vienna, Austria; 131 P-51s and P-38s provide support.
* 43 P-38s bomb an oil refinery at Fiume, Italy.
* Other fighters escort reconnaissance missions and accompany supply-dropping operations to Yugoslavia.
| Source: Army Air Forces in World War II
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21 Jan 45 - 1st FG losses:
On a photo recon mission over Stuttgart, Flight Officer Thomas R. Graffam, a 94th pilot, was shot down on his first or second mission by anti-aircraft gunfire. Damaged initially, on the return back he was hit again near Venice. His plane went down in the Adriatic and F/O Graffam died swimming with his chute (Germans were approaching). On the same mission, Lt James H. Hutchinson, Jr. from the 94th and Lt Robert Carrothers, 27th FS, were reported missing in action.
P-38J Serial no. 42-67898 of 1st FG (27Sqn.) - Lt Carrothers, KIA, Italy
P-38L Serial no. 44-25039 of 1st FG (94 Sqn.) - Lt James H. Hutchinson, Jr, MIA, Prague, Czech 1st Fighter Group WW2 History and Missions - 1945
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12-17-2007, 09:10 AM
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Are you sure this was an american plane? The turbocharger looks like that found in a Daimler-Benz DB-603 /605 as used in the Bf 109, Bf 110, etc.
The Deutsches Tecnisches Museum in München have 'cutaway' examples of these, as well as miscellaneous components, and the parts you photographed are identical.
As you must well know, Wiener Neustadt was also one of the largest production centres of the Bf 109 too, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if this is the case.
By the way - LOVE those BMW 801 components you photographed, that cooling fan was a dead giveaway!
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Country:  | The bolt pattern on the turbocharger matches the one found on he P-38. Also the elevator counterbalance mounting is another give-away along with the part numbers and production stamp markings. There seems to be nothing "German" in that wreck.
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Country: | it could be a P-38 night fighter? but it's kinda beaten up to bad for me to tell 
it's to tough for me to tell but that's a REALLY REALLY COOL FIND
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Originally Posted by 'Lil'tyger  it could be a P-38 night fighter? but it's kinda beaten up to bad for me to tell
it's to tough for me to tell but that's a REALLY REALLY COOL FIND | That would be great, except no P-38M night fighters were sent to Europe during the War, they were all sent to the PTO and, even then, almost didn't make it out there before the War ended in the Pacific. There are some reports of operational P-38M sorties before the end of hostilities in the PTO, but I know some here will dispute that claim. And there were definitely no P-38M's in Europe before May 8, 1945.
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Originally Posted by Kurtl Well, I do not have any pictures of a Droop Snoot with machine guns on board. I entered at google: "P38 Droop Snoot". Then I found some mentiones about armored ones with guns like: http://home.att.net/~ww2aviation/P-38-3.html or: "Droop Snoot" P38 - FSIC Messageboard. The last one is just a post at a forum.
Attached you'll find my drawing of the shell bottom I found at the crashplace. All three I got look the same.
Then I found an other part. Maybe it has something to do with radar eqipment or a bomb sight but probably it is just something for ordenary electicity. The cover is 315 mm x 300 mm. The badge on it is heavily damaged but maybe someone know what it meant. Thanks for any ideas!
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Originally Posted by Kurtl Any idea about this stamping?
The last two picture show apart of sheet metal with a fine structure in it. It is easy to bend so I think it is made of lead or similar. But where is lead on a P-38? Any ideas what that could have been?
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Kurtl | The first is probably the ignition system, the second does look like a plate from a battery, you might want to ask Gnomey about that. The plate is stating that magnetos(which are dynamos, are putting out so much voltage) in other words dont pull a plug wire off if you like your b***s in one piece. 
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