 | AH-64 Gun Cam Footage| Aviation Videos Discuss AH-64 Gun Cam Footage in the World War II - Aviation forums; It looks much better in grey, in my opinion. In fact, I'm going to steal that picture.... |
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05-15-2005, 01:02 PM
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#31 | | Senior Member
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Country:  | It looks much better in grey, in my opinion. In fact, I'm going to steal that picture. 
__________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004  To those in that club. | 
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05-15-2005, 01:04 PM
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#32 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country:  | Feel freee..... I did..........
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05-15-2005, 01:05 PM
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Country: | According to http://www.jolly-rogers.com/airpower/ah-64d/64d-arm.htm the Longbow Apache (AH-64D) carries a M230E1 30mm cannon under the fuselage. Quote: |
Rate of fire for the M230 is 600-650 rounds per minute, the spool-up time to acheive this rate being a brief 0.2 seconds. 1200 rounds are carried in the magazine-pack above the gun. Each round takes approximately 2 seconds to travel 1000m. However, as the shell's energy dissipates, it takes some 12.2 seconds to cover 3000m.
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__________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club. | |
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05-15-2005, 01:08 PM
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#34 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | Basically, VERY bad news for someone lurking around in the nighttime with an RPG........
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05-15-2005, 01:14 PM
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Country: | As those peckers found out.
You may have been confusing the AH-1 armament with the AH-64 (because I used to). The AH-1 carries a M197 20mm three-barelled cannon. They're using AH-1W (?) in Iraq, so some of those terrorists get the feel of the 20mm while others get the 30mm...
And those lucky souls to meet a M1A2 get either a .50cal or 105mm... 
__________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club. | |
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05-15-2005, 01:14 PM
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#36 | | the old Sage
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Country: | great pic but I thought the chin mount was a 2cm chain gun ? | |
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05-15-2005, 01:17 PM
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Country: | No, it's 20mm on the AH-1. 
__________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club. | |
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05-15-2005, 01:20 PM
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#38 | | the old Sage
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Country: | another fine pic, ok Ich verstehen 
carve em into dog meat boyz ........... | |
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05-15-2005, 01:36 PM
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#39 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | Never heard u talk like this before Erich..... Ur normally alittle more reserved........
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05-15-2005, 01:47 PM
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#40 | | the old Sage
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Country: | yes I try to be a bit reserved but it must be taking me back to the Vietnam dayz.....funny what can stir things up in the soul.....agent orange, red, blue, here we come ~ | |
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05-15-2005, 03:55 PM
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| Wow thanks for the long replies. But I am puzzled. How come we are supposed to be able to express our opinions on a forum like this and yet there is always someone who has to resort to insults and question one's patriotism into the bargain?
I stand by what I wrote.
I am from the UK and have the greatest respect for many (but not all) of the people in the military who defend us. I am not against the use of strong measures against the enemies whoever they are but the use of this video as entertainment is gratuitous nastiness of the worst kind.
It just doesn't have a place on this site... pure and simple. Whoever posted it is probaly having a great laugh about all this verbiage and I wonder why I bothered in the first place.
Taken out of its context this video is worthless and could only do the respected US forces harm IMHO. Whatever these guys in the video have done, or were going to do, did they deserve this? To be blasted to pieces when they had not fired on the helicopter? When they were not given a warning? When they were not clearly presenting a threat?
I have seen another video where an Apache opens up on a target and destroys it. Only after does the pilot discover it is a US AFV. That was tragic. I have great reservations about this kind of offensive firepower. OK our guys deserve the best in equipment and the means to use it but sometimes it just seems cowardly, bullying almost, to stand off and blast someone like this. I hate to think what would happen if some of our guys did this in Northern Ireland against 'suspected terrorists'.
Guncam footage of a dogfight is a different matter entirely. It is one armed man against another. They both know the score and only one can win. Strafing some guys messing about with a truck can be seen as an unequal contest. Bullying even. Yes, terrorism is wrong but this is not right either. If we lower our standards to their level then they have won.
That is my opionion and I am entitled to express it on this forum without being villified for my trouble. | |
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05-15-2005, 04:41 PM
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#42 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | Balh Blah Blah... U have ur opinion, as does everyone else... Justlike assholes, everyones got one....
U obviously have never served in uniform and defended ur counrty in a time of war, so ur opinion really means shiit to me in the first place...
BUT...........
I posted this video originally about 7 months ago here... There is a background story to it that wasnt followed on... These were Insurgents in Eastern Iraq who had previously shot at 2 helicopters earlier that afternoon...
These 2 Apaches were sent in at night to alieveiate the problem... I have the WHOLE clip where it shows them throwing weapons on the ground and hiding them, as they seem to hear the helicopters off in the distance and get skittish... One even throws down his RPG into the high grass...
They were eliminated with severe predjudice...
Whatever else u have to say is Greek......... I will Villify anyone or anything that I feel needs to be Villified......
I AM THE VILLINATOR!!!
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yet there is always someone who has to resort to insults and question one's patriotism into the bargain?
| Regard my sentence above... Quote: |
Whatever these guys in the video have done, or were going to do, did they deserve this? To be blasted to pieces when they had not fired on the helicopter? When they were not given a warning? When they were not clearly presenting a threat?
| Why dont we give all the Terrorists of the World a Big Break... They are SOOOOO misunderstood... Maybe if we took the time to know them better, we'd find out what kind and devoted people they are.... So what if some of their bretheren and compatriots SLAMMED A COUPLE OF PLANES INTO NEW YORKS TALLEST BUILDINGS.........
Lets buy them some nice pajamas and have tea and crumpets with them on the front lawn of Taj Mahal...
STFU Moron......
If ur gonna sit there and try and fight for the rights of terrorists and insurgents, u had better take ur faggot-ass attitude, opinions and beliefs somewhere else pal...... Those kind of opinions arent welcomed here....
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05-15-2005, 06:49 PM
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Country: | The terrorists started the war! They obviously never heard anyone say "War isn't fair!" because they would have realised, they'd be getting blasted from miles away when they had no chance to fight back.
There's no 'bullying' - it's effective war with the least casualties as possible inflicted on your own men. The Coalition fly the flag of a standing army, they wear army colours, the let everyone know their presence in the country...the thick bastards that stand against them get blown to pieces, it's simple.
And I didn't post the video but I was laughing hysterically at them!
__________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club. | |
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05-15-2005, 06:54 PM
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#44 | | He who does not skim
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Country:  | Yeah, it made me feel kinda good to watch it too.
There's just something about seeing assholes getting shot to **** that just does it every time.  | |
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05-15-2005, 07:01 PM
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#45 | | Senior Member
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Country: | Someone should have told them "You don't warm your ass on a fire and expect not to get burnt"
__________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club. | |
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