Display Team Videos: Black Arrows & Firebirds - Aircraft of World War II

Royzee617 · 06-14-2005, 02:55 PM

I might end up regretting this but let's give it a try. It would be nice to have a thread with videos of display teams through the years. So what better place to start than a look at two long gone display teams. The Raf has had many teams but amongst the best were the ones in the 1960s. They were frontline aircraft and not trainers. Some think that while the Reds are fantastic their planes are not quite powerful enough for the same kind of spectacle as their US and Russian counterparts.

I have quite a few vids of display teams so I can do this I think. But if anyone else wants to join in then be my guest!

In closing I reckon I saw these Hunters and Lightnings when I was a kid. Yes, I am that old and still go to Clutch gigs! We were messing about on the tennis court and there was the most enormous roar from the sky. Right over our heads came more jet fighters than I had ever seen. I was a fan back then and knew what they were but sadly had no camera. It's a mind movie still though. Then we saw them on the telly and I immediately said - those are the planes we saw!

cheddar cheese · 06-14-2005, 02:58 PM

Very very nice!

Do you, by any chance, have any of the Frecce Tricolori, the Italian display team?

FLYBOYJ · 06-14-2005, 02:58 PM

Love the Lightnings, "YEA BABY!"

Nonskimmer · 06-14-2005, 03:45 PM

Nice!

Royzee617 · 06-14-2005, 05:03 PM

FT are brilliant - will look something out soon.

plan_D · 06-15-2005, 12:44 AM

Love the Lightnings' too bad they didn't have any taking off vertically.

Royzee617 · 06-15-2005, 02:12 AM

Yes, the Lightning was an amazing airshow performer. Off the deck, retract the u/c, then pitchup into the near vertical making sure you don't scrape the tail on the runway. Had commensurately poor accident rate. In a book I read last year it listed all the crashes. The tally must have been not far off that for the F100 and F104.
I have a vid doc somewhere with Lightning take-offs so will see if can get it up here.

plan_D · 06-15-2005, 03:22 AM

In the 10 years my dad served with 11 Sqn. two Lightnings were lost one due to an F.3 pilot flying a F.6 and being unable to handle it. The other due to under-carriage lock that forced the pilot to take it over to 'the Wash' and bang out.

Lightnings were excellent aircraft, the only reason they were stopped talking off vertically (they did it perfectly vertical) was in the late 70s the MOD stopped them due to stress on the old airframes.

trackend · 06-15-2005, 04:11 AM

Like the clip Roy I remember an interview with an instructor who said that all the pilots wanted to get there hands on their last two Lightings as they where the only planes left in the RAF that where pure, non gadget/avionics assisted planes "like flying a Spitfire with a big kick up the arse".

evangilder · 06-15-2005, 07:06 AM

Even us "Yanks" were impressed with the performance of the Lightning. Here is a shot of a LOW pass that was done in 1986 at the Mildenhall Air Fete. I just caught it. I need to do a better scan of that image after the move and clean it up.

Nonskimmer · 06-15-2005, 07:08 AM

Nice shot though.

plan_D · 06-15-2005, 07:09 AM

American's knew it as the "All Aluminium Pursuit Ship"

Royzee617 · 06-15-2005, 04:26 PM

Great shot from Mildenhall. I remember great airshow routines from Lightning pilots but with a tinge of sadness. I think hi sname was Thompson, the display pilot in the early 80s but later in the season he was killed while performing his awesome show over the sea. I have a video of the Mildenhall show in two forms - the TV coverage and mine own video. The latter being the first ever for me being behind the lens at an airshow. I really must dig them out.

Royzee617 · 06-15-2005, 04:33 PM

Another clip from the series this time with the Red Pelicans (who I did see as a kid) and the yellow painted Gnats of the Yellowjacks which I didn't see. But I did see the Reds with their Gnats a few times.

I have a vid of TV prog they made with John Noakes visits with the red arrows while they flew Gnats.... another one to dig out and bung up here. Oh, so much to do.

Royzee617 · 06-17-2005, 03:54 PM

As per the request the Italian AF aerobatic team. Nice intro showing the BBMF too.

06-14-2005, 02:58 PM	#3
FLYBOYJ IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 16,861	Love the Lightnings, "YEA BABY!" __________________ > I Support Doug Gillis <

06-15-2005, 12:44 AM	#6
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	Love the Lightnings' too bad they didn't have any taking off vertically. __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

06-15-2005, 03:22 AM	#8
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	In the 10 years my dad served with 11 Sqn. two Lightnings were lost one due to an F.3 pilot flying a F.6 and being unable to handle it. The other due to under-carriage lock that forced the pilot to take it over to 'the Wash' and bang out. Lightnings were excellent aircraft, the only reason they were stopped talking off vertically (they did it perfectly vertical) was in the late 70s the MOD stopped them due to stress on the old airframes. __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

06-15-2005, 07:09 AM	#12
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	American's knew it as the "All Aluminium Pursuit Ship" __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

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06-14-2005, 02:58 PM	#2
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	Very very nice! Do you, by any chance, have any of the Frecce Tricolori, the Italian display team?

06-14-2005, 03:45 PM	#4
Nonskimmer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 8,871	Nice!

06-14-2005, 05:03 PM	#5
Royzee617 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: MK UK Posts: 1,625	FT are brilliant - will look something out soon.

06-15-2005, 02:12 AM	#7
Royzee617 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: MK UK Posts: 1,625	Yes, the Lightning was an amazing airshow performer. Off the deck, retract the u/c, then pitchup into the near vertical making sure you don't scrape the tail on the runway. Had commensurately poor accident rate. In a book I read last year it listed all the crashes. The tally must have been not far off that for the F100 and F104. I have a vid doc somewhere with Lightning take-offs so will see if can get it up here.

06-15-2005, 04:11 AM	#9
trackend Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Canvey Island, Essex Posts: 4,030	Like the clip Roy I remember an interview with an instructor who said that all the pilots wanted to get there hands on their last two Lightings as they where the only planes left in the RAF that where pure, non gadget/avionics assisted planes "like flying a Spitfire with a big kick up the arse".

06-15-2005, 07:08 AM	#11
Nonskimmer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 8,871	Nice shot though.

06-15-2005, 04:26 PM	#13
Royzee617 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: MK UK Posts: 1,625	Great shot from Mildenhall. I remember great airshow routines from Lightning pilots but with a tinge of sadness. I think hi sname was Thompson, the display pilot in the early 80s but later in the season he was killed while performing his awesome show over the sea. I have a video of the Mildenhall show in two forms - the TV coverage and mine own video. The latter being the first ever for me being behind the lens at an airshow. I really must dig them out.