German Guncam footage - Page 13 - Aircraft of World War II

Nonskimmer · 03-28-2005, 02:55 PM

It does look like a Mustang. Can't tell the mark/model though.

03-28-2005, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlesBronson

BF-109 bouncing another fighter at low altitude. I am not sure about the allied aircraft. It looks like a Mustang Mk-1 or a P-51B.

Looks like another 109 to me

CharlesBronson · 03-28-2005, 07:01 PM

But is not. Check the video more carefully and you see.

Gnomey · 03-28-2005, 07:14 PM

Nice videos Charles!

the lancaster kicks ass · 03-29-2005, 01:51 PM

it's cirtainly not a -109..........

CharlesBronson · 03-30-2005, 08:55 PM

Bf-109 in pursuit of a Tomahawk. You can see several 20 mm hits and a lot of debris flying from the P-40. I think that this was a sure kill.

03-31-2005, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by CharlesBronson

Bf-109 in pursuit of a Tomahawk. You can see several 20 mm hits and a lot of debris flying from the P-40. I think that this was a sure kill.

If that was all there was too it, the P-40 may have survived. All the 20mm hits appeared to be to the wings (1 to the left wing, 2 to the right), and the plane still seemed flyable as it banked to the right.

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Lunatic

CharlesBronson · 04-01-2005, 01:49 PM

I respect your opinion, but I think that it was a kill...sooner or later.

Several FW-190 attaking a "pulk "of B-24. The lower Liberator is taking heavy damage.

04-01-2005, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlesBronson

Several FW-190 attaking a "pulk "of B-24. The lower Liberator is taking heavy damage.

Must have been a fairly rookie bunch of 190 pilots - they did not seem to press their attack very effectively. Most were not even shooting while in range of the target(s). And they still have their drop tanks on - a very big vulnerablity when facing .50 API rounds.

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Lunatic

the lancaster kicks ass · 04-01-2005, 03:37 PM

wow it's bits of flim like that that make you realise how big the formations were.............

Erich · 04-01-2005, 10:06 PM

I have this cine film and the B-24 attacked went down. The pilots during 1944 were ordered by the great Fat One to keep the precious fuel tanks on no matter what was on their tail. Of course many refused to obey this ridiculous order when confronted by P-51's. The attack was by SturmFw's and two other B-24's were attacked in this film series and it appears many hits. True they did not close within a 30 to 50 metre range

CharlesBronson · 04-02-2005, 11:29 AM

Spitfire being hit.

CharlesBronson · 04-03-2005, 08:29 PM

FW-190A attacking Lagg-5, I am not very sure but seem that the german pilot use only his MG-131 guns because you cant see 20 mm tracers, did you?

Where is Lunatic when you really need him...?

04-03-2005, 09:49 PM

The German pilot may have chosen not to use tracers in his 20mm. They tend to foul the guns more than normal rounds, and the MG131 13mm ballistics are very close to the same as the MG151/20 ballistics, especially if the 20mm are loaded with HE or mine rounds.

Also, near the end after the target is burning he may have been out of 20mm ammo or chosen not to use it. It's really hard to tell given the quality of the film.

=S=

Lunatic

CharlesBronson · 04-04-2005, 11:07 AM

Thank for your help.

I also think that probably the FW is out of 20 mm, but if it used non tracers shells is achieving no hits, because the impact flash are caused by the 13 mm HEI ammo.

03-28-2005, 07:14 PM	#184
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03-29-2005, 01:51 PM	#185
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	it's cirtainly not a -109.......... __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

04-01-2005, 03:37 PM	#190
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	wow it's bits of flim like that that make you realise how big the formations were............. __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

04-01-2005, 10:06 PM	#191
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	I have this cine film and the B-24 attacked went down. The pilots during 1944 were ordered by the great Fat One to keep the precious fuel tanks on no matter what was on their tail. Of course many refused to obey this ridiculous order when confronted by P-51's. The attack was by SturmFw's and two other B-24's were attacked in this film series and it appears many hits. True they did not close within a 30 to 50 metre range __________________ Rip it up !

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03-28-2005, 02:55 PM	#181
Nonskimmer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 8,871	It does look like a Mustang. Can't tell the mark/model though.

03-28-2005, 07:01 PM	#183
CharlesBronson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cordoba - Argentina Posts: 2,999	But is not. Check the video more carefully and you see.

04-03-2005, 09:49 PM	#194
Anonymous Guest Posts: n/a	The German pilot may have chosen not to use tracers in his 20mm. They tend to foul the guns more than normal rounds, and the MG131 13mm ballistics are very close to the same as the MG151/20 ballistics, especially if the 20mm are loaded with HE or mine rounds. Also, near the end after the target is burning he may have been out of 20mm ammo or chosen not to use it. It's really hard to tell given the quality of the film. =S= Lunatic

04-04-2005, 11:07 AM	#195
CharlesBronson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cordoba - Argentina Posts: 2,999	Thank for your help. I also think that probably the FW is out of 20 mm, but if it used non tracers shells is achieving no hits, because the impact flash are caused by the 13 mm HEI ammo.