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Erich · 02-05-2009, 11:49 AM

IV.Sturm/JG 3 are represented when they land and do a fly over their airfield. 7-744 after the battle, Walter Dahl of JG 300 comes in to congratulate the pilots of Sturm-JG 3.

I have the cine films of several Sturm-FW's that are shown in the destruction of the Liberators shown the Fw 190 A-8 that flys from left to right is actually much larger on my cine film and I have slowed it way down to view whether it has a rumpfband or not, but cannot see on so yes it could be a JG 3 Sturm or JG 4 even after August of 44 as JG 4 sometimes did not have the Reichbands painted on. Interspersed with that of course are the typical Fw's from other units in different variants and also Bf 109G's and their pilots pressing the trigger button

CharlesBronson · 02-05-2009, 07:11 PM

Nice, nice, good info there Erich.

At that time the sturmstaffel 1 was disbanded right ?

Erich · 02-05-2009, 10:10 PM

CB

most of the Sturm-st. 1 went to form the new 11.Sturm/JG 3 unit on April 15, 1944.

the rest of Sturm-st. 1 formed the cadre for the new II.Sturm/JG 4 in August of 44.

E ~

CharlesBronson · 02-06-2009, 07:08 PM

Thanks.

Othe more, attacking B-17 and B-24s ( that comes after the anoyying Galland with FW-190 and speech clip)

Wochenschau-Archiv

CharlesBronson · 02-08-2009, 09:43 AM

FW-190 strafing ground targets in January 1th 1945, not sure what type is the twin engine parked, looks like a B-25.

YouTube - Operacion Bodenplatte. Enero 1945

CharlesBronson · 03-08-2009, 10:05 AM

Luftwaffe fighters vs bombers, 1944, some clips are alredy posted, but note the last one wich includes a pursuit of damaged B-24 liberator at low altitude, the Liberator turrets blazing with gunfire, very action charged.

YouTube - Luftwaffe Vs Bombarderos USAAF, 1944

tpikdave · 03-29-2009, 08:13 PM

Sure wish my old eyes could see better on this one! Also wish our airmen were treated that well in Nam.

Erich · 03-29-2009, 11:29 PM

the low to the ground B-24 is suppose to be from the gun stills of 109's during the defense of Ploesti

did you note the long range shots on the rear of B-24's from Bf 110G-2's with 3.7cm Flak 18's ?

CharlesBronson · 05-08-2009, 07:55 PM

Quote:

did you note the long range shots on the rear of B-24's from Bf 110G-2's with 3.7cm Flak 18's ?

I did, quite interesting, too bad I dont have it in better quality.

Westland Lysander sprayed with german bullets.

Tham · 06-11-2009, 01:42 PM

I replied this guy's post here in Youtube about the
poor performance of the Quad .50 AA gun compared
to the Flakvierling's MG151/20, citing an effective
range of at least 1,500 m, based on the South African
NTW-20 sniper rifle which used the MG151's cartridge.

YouTube - Quadruple 50cal AA

Denel NTW-20: Facts, Discussion Forum, and Encyclopedia Article

20 mm Sniper rifle - Military Photos

I didn't realize that the MG151 had an effective range
of only 400 meters ? I had always thought that typical
ranges of 20 mm cannons were from 1,500 to 2,000 meters.

I had always thought that German single-engined fighters,
such as the Wildesaus, when making standard stern attacks,
were able to engage British bombers from way beyond the
range of the latter's .303s, which had a maximum effective
range of 400 yards.

Erich · 06-11-2009, 02:32 PM

well engaging at night with single fighters was close at hand not out at 600 yards which may have been the case with day time operations. LW fighter tactics were to get in close to ensure a kill

CharlesBronson · 06-14-2009, 07:53 PM

Quote:

I replied this guy's post here in Youtube about the
poor performance of the Quad .50 AA gun compared
to the Flakvierling's MG151/20, citing an effective
range of at least 1,500 m, based on the South African
NTW-20 sniper rifle which used the MG151's cartridge.

The differences lay in that the Mauser MG 151 and the 2 cm Flak 38 did not use the same type of ammunition. The flak 20x138b catrigde has more muzzle velocity thus greater effective range.

CharlesBronson · 06-14-2009, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CharlesBronson

Thanks, one more, the JG 1 against B-17, as usual the capacity to absorb punishment is remarkable in the Flying Fortress.

Wochenschau-Archiv

Higher quality variant of the same video, by the way the devil head bagde did not belonged to JG 1 but 9th staffel JG 54.

YouTube - Luftkampf. Messerschmitt und Focke Wulf Vs Boeing B-17.

CharlesBronson · 06-17-2009, 09:15 PM

Me-110G attacking bombers, several types and configurations with droptanks, aditional 20, 30 and 37mm guns are seen.

Extracted from the Deutsche Wochenschau 705, march 1944.

YouTube - Zerstörer in Einsatz. Messerschmitt Me-110G Vs Amerikanische bomberverbande

CharlesBronson · 06-26-2009, 08:22 PM

JG 54 ace Hans Phillip guncamera, shooting down a russian fighter, apparently a MiG-3.

02-05-2009, 07:11 PM	#287
CharlesBronson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cordoba - Argentina Posts: 2,999	Nice, nice, good info there Erich. At that time the sturmstaffel 1 was disbanded right ? __________________ Bronsons´s videos

02-06-2009, 07:08 PM	#289
CharlesBronson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cordoba - Argentina Posts: 2,999	Thanks. Othe more, attacking B-17 and B-24s ( that comes after the anoyying Galland with FW-190 and speech clip) Wochenschau-Archiv __________________ Bronsons´s videos Last edited by CharlesBronson; 02-06-2009 at 07:14 PM.

02-08-2009, 09:43 AM	#290
CharlesBronson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cordoba - Argentina Posts: 2,999	FW-190 strafing ground targets in January 1th 1945, not sure what type is the twin engine parked, looks like a B-25. YouTube - Operacion Bodenplatte. Enero 1945 __________________ Bronsons´s videos

03-08-2009, 10:05 AM	#291
CharlesBronson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cordoba - Argentina Posts: 2,999	Luftwaffe fighters vs bombers, 1944, some clips are alredy posted, but note the last one wich includes a pursuit of damaged B-24 liberator at low altitude, the Liberator turrets blazing with gunfire, very action charged. YouTube - Luftwaffe Vs Bombarderos USAAF, 1944 __________________ Bronsons´s videos

03-29-2009, 08:13 PM	#292
tpikdave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 378	Sure wish my old eyes could see better on this one! Also wish our airmen were treated that well in Nam. __________________ "We sleep safely in ours beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." George Orwell

02-05-2009, 11:49 AM	#286
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,774	IV.Sturm/JG 3 are represented when they land and do a fly over their airfield. 7-744 after the battle, Walter Dahl of JG 300 comes in to congratulate the pilots of Sturm-JG 3. I have the cine films of several Sturm-FW's that are shown in the destruction of the Liberators shown the Fw 190 A-8 that flys from left to right is actually much larger on my cine film and I have slowed it way down to view whether it has a rumpfband or not, but cannot see on so yes it could be a JG 3 Sturm or JG 4 even after August of 44 as JG 4 sometimes did not have the Reichbands painted on. Interspersed with that of course are the typical Fw's from other units in different variants and also Bf 109G's and their pilots pressing the trigger button

02-05-2009, 10:10 PM	#288
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,774	CB most of the Sturm-st. 1 went to form the new 11.Sturm/JG 3 unit on April 15, 1944. the rest of Sturm-st. 1 formed the cadre for the new II.Sturm/JG 4 in August of 44. E ~

03-29-2009, 11:29 PM	#293
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,774	the low to the ground B-24 is suppose to be from the gun stills of 109's during the defense of Ploesti did you note the long range shots on the rear of B-24's from Bf 110G-2's with 3.7cm Flak 18's ?

06-11-2009, 01:42 PM	#295
Tham Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Posts: 6	Effective Range of MG151/20 I replied this guy's post here in Youtube about the poor performance of the Quad .50 AA gun compared to the Flakvierling's MG151/20, citing an effective range of at least 1,500 m, based on the South African NTW-20 sniper rifle which used the MG151's cartridge. YouTube - Quadruple 50cal AA Denel NTW-20: Facts, Discussion Forum, and Encyclopedia Article 20 mm Sniper rifle - Military Photos I didn't realize that the MG151 had an effective range of only 400 meters ? I had always thought that typical ranges of 20 mm cannons were from 1,500 to 2,000 meters. I had always thought that German single-engined fighters, such as the Wildesaus, when making standard stern attacks, were able to engage British bombers from way beyond the range of the latter's .303s, which had a maximum effective range of 400 yards.

06-11-2009, 02:32 PM	#296
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,774	well engaging at night with single fighters was close at hand not out at 600 yards which may have been the case with day time operations. LW fighter tactics were to get in close to ensure a kill __________________ Rip it up !

06-17-2009, 09:15 PM	#299
CharlesBronson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cordoba - Argentina Posts: 2,999	Me-110G attacking bombers, several types and configurations with droptanks, aditional 20, 30 and 37mm guns are seen. Extracted from the Deutsche Wochenschau 705, march 1944. YouTube - Zerstörer in Einsatz. Messerschmitt Me-110G Vs Amerikanische bomberverbande __________________ Bronsons´s videos Last edited by CharlesBronson; 06-17-2009 at 09:19 PM.

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