German Guncam footage - Page 7 - Aircraft of World War II

(G/C) Lionel Mandrake · 12-29-2004, 05:48 PM

Don't be like that lads, one can't help having a plummy voice. Please permit me to submit this web link i've had since year dot.
http://www.web-birds.com/8th/339/gun/gun.html

Looking forward to future duels. Btw Lancaster, God invented the heaven and the earth, next came an Englishman

Tally Ho

Nonskimmer · 12-29-2004, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by (G/C) Lionel Mandrake

God invented the heaven and the earth, next came an Englishman

Tally Ho

'Till he smartened up, and turned some into Canadians.

Keep yer stick on the ice!

cheddar cheese · 12-29-2004, 06:19 PM

Im not putting my stick anywhere near the ice thankyou very much!

(G/C) Lionel Mandrake · 12-29-2004, 06:25 PM

Speaking of ice...

"but for my own sake I do not regret this journey, which has shown that Englishmen can endure hardships, help one another, and meet death with as great a fortitude as ever in the past. We took risks, we knew we took them; things have come out against us, and therefore we have no cause for complaint, but bow to the will of providence, determined still to do our best to the last...Had we lived, I should have had a tale to tell of the hardihood, endurance, and courage of my companions which would have stirred the heart of every Englishman. These rough notes and our dead bodies must tell the tale, but surely, surely, a great rich country like ours will see that those who are dependent on us are properly provided for".

Robert Falcon Scott.

RIP my dear fellow countrymen

evangilder · 12-29-2004, 06:47 PM

I heard it once said that the sun never set on the British empire because God didn't trust the Brits in the dark.

BlackWolf3945 · 12-30-2004, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by plan_D

Nah, he was trying to be smart 'cos it looked like RG had made me look like a fool...and BlackWolf wanted to get in there and join the fun...

Actually, no. I wasn't being 'smart', and it wasn't directed towards anyone in particular. I was rather serious in making a broad, if not brief, editorial comment, so to speak.

Fade to Black...

BlackWolf3945 · 12-30-2004, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by (G/C) Lionel Mandrake

Please permit me to submit this web link i've had since year dot.
http://www.web-birds.com/8th/339/gun/gun.html

You and everyone else...

Web-birds is a groovy site, yes...

Fade to Black...

plan_D · 12-30-2004, 09:25 AM

God just turned some British left and made them Canadian, that's all.

Nonskimmer · 12-30-2004, 10:08 AM

The Jug Rules! · 01-06-2005, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RG_Lunatic

Have any of you been able to download this file successfully?

=S=

Lunatic

Yep, It played as soon as I clicked It. Anyway, Ive seen the last movie (10)before. Everytime someone mentions ww2 aircraft, they show that movie.
I always thought I that it was from a bf 109 G. there was only 1 stream of tracers.

Erich · 01-06-2005, 02:51 PM

if it is the 110G-2 against the B-17 U can see two distinct sets of tracers. 2cm and MG 17 which is used as the Bf 110G gets in close...........pretty stupid as the bomber debris most likely caused some sort of damage to the attacking German a/c.

note the P-47 being chased down in # 17. Actually long footage for the German fighter to get close enough to hit the wings of the Jug

Udet · 01-06-2005, 06:08 PM

Hello cutties:

Check this guncamera from a German fighter chewing a B-17 which seems already badly damaged: you can even see the engine on the left wing (outboard) is already dead.

It appears the German aircraft responsible for such attack was Bf109G6.

Erich, if you are somewhere out there:

Is it correct to say the first 2 tracers shot by the German pilot (easy to detect) were from the MG131 to pin point the target before blasting it away with the nose cannon?

What cannon was it? 2 cm or 3 cm?

Besides everything, the punch of the German fighter is totally brutally powerful. It can gives us an idea of the terror the bomber crews would experience during such attacks.

The poor guys on the bomber were merely trying to survive; even though it seems like they where going nowhere but down.

Erich · 01-06-2005, 06:49 PM

Udet I have this cine film,

Willi Maximowitz in Sturmstaffel 1 in the winter of 1944 flying an Fw 190A-7/MK

the hits are from 2cm and 3cm weapons.........as you say brutal. // have to say the B-17 was downed this day sadly for the men inside

Erich · 01-06-2005, 06:51 PM

sorry to quick a fingers. At first the Fw 190 pilot attacks the right side of the B-17 and hits the tail gunner and then we proceed with the film that Udet has kindly supplied

just a small notation

E ~

Udet · 01-06-2005, 07:03 PM

Erich:

i must say I am impressed to know of the information you provide.

Yes, the blast is a very brutal looking thing. Perhaps many of the crew were already dead or badly wounded before finally going down.

Did he, right before banking off the bomber, put a final shot at the left outboard engine?

Willi Maximowitz one of the Sturmböck aces!!

Erich, this is impressive. I have seen hours of gun camera footage, still I have no way in knowing in one sole case from any of the shots, whose pilot gun camera was it!!

How did you manage to know it was Willy Maximowitz?

12-29-2004, 06:47 PM	#95
evangilder "Shooter" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Moorpark, CA Posts: 14,809	I heard it once said that the sun never set on the British empire because God didn't trust the Brits in the dark. __________________ http://www.vg-photo.com For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return. Leonardo Da Vinci

12-30-2004, 09:25 AM	#98
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	God just turned some British left and made them Canadian, that's all. __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

01-06-2005, 02:51 PM	#101
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,774	if it is the 110G-2 against the B-17 U can see two distinct sets of tracers. 2cm and MG 17 which is used as the Bf 110G gets in close...........pretty stupid as the bomber debris most likely caused some sort of damage to the attacking German a/c. note the P-47 being chased down in # 17. Actually long footage for the German fighter to get close enough to hit the wings of the Jug __________________ Rip it up !

01-06-2005, 06:49 PM	#103
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,774	Udet I have this cine film, Willi Maximowitz in Sturmstaffel 1 in the winter of 1944 flying an Fw 190A-7/MK the hits are from 2cm and 3cm weapons.........as you say brutal. // have to say the B-17 was downed this day sadly for the men inside __________________ Rip it up !

01-06-2005, 06:51 PM	#104
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,774	sorry to quick a fingers. At first the Fw 190 pilot attacks the right side of the B-17 and hits the tail gunner and then we proceed with the film that Udet has kindly supplied just a small notation E ~ __________________ Rip it up !

12-29-2004, 05:48 PM	#91
(G/C) Lionel Mandrake Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Angels 1-5 Posts: 64	Don't be like that lads, one can't help having a plummy voice. Please permit me to submit this web link i've had since year dot. http://www.web-birds.com/8th/339/gun/gun.html Looking forward to future duels. Btw Lancaster, God invented the heaven and the earth, next came an Englishman Tally Ho

12-29-2004, 06:19 PM	#93
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	Im not putting my stick anywhere near the ice thankyou very much!

12-29-2004, 06:25 PM	#94
(G/C) Lionel Mandrake Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Angels 1-5 Posts: 64	Speaking of ice... "but for my own sake I do not regret this journey, which has shown that Englishmen can endure hardships, help one another, and meet death with as great a fortitude as ever in the past. We took risks, we knew we took them; things have come out against us, and therefore we have no cause for complaint, but bow to the will of providence, determined still to do our best to the last...Had we lived, I should have had a tale to tell of the hardihood, endurance, and courage of my companions which would have stirred the heart of every Englishman. These rough notes and our dead bodies must tell the tale, but surely, surely, a great rich country like ours will see that those who are dependent on us are properly provided for". Robert Falcon Scott. RIP my dear fellow countrymen

12-30-2004, 10:08 AM	#99
Nonskimmer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 8,871

01-06-2005, 07:03 PM	#105
Udet Banned Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,258	Erich: i must say I am impressed to know of the information you provide. Yes, the blast is a very brutal looking thing. Perhaps many of the crew were already dead or badly wounded before finally going down. Did he, right before banking off the bomber, put a final shot at the left outboard engine? Willi Maximowitz one of the Sturmböck aces!! Erich, this is impressive. I have seen hours of gun camera footage, still I have no way in knowing in one sole case from any of the shots, whose pilot gun camera was it!! How did you manage to know it was Willy Maximowitz?

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