 | Hamburg - A320 nearly crashed during crosswind approach| Aviation Videos Discuss Hamburg - A320 nearly crashed during crosswind approach in the World War II - Aviation forums; interesting article, thank you Snautzer! there´s written (and they say) that under such a conditions the captain should take ... |
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03-04-2008, 02:05 PM
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#31 | | Senior Member
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Country:  | interesting article, thank you Snautzer! there´s written (and they say) that under such a conditions the captain should take over the control. why the landing was done by young co-pilot, no one knows till now...
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03-04-2008, 04:50 PM
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#32 | | Senior Member
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| I admit that was the last thing that I would have expected | |
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03-05-2008, 06:03 AM
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#33 | | Member
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Country:  | i think the captain decides who will land the plane. he or the co-pilot. All the rest is advice. | |
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03-05-2008, 06:41 AM
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#34 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Country:  | I spoke to my father in law yesterday. He was a United Airlines Standards Captain and is currently an FAA Examiner for the 737 and A319/320. He is currently doing contract work for Flight Safety. He told me the numbers I posted were wrong and the actual max crosswind component for the A319/ 320 was 33kts with peak gusts to 37kts. If a pilot exceeded that they violated the ops manual from Airbus. Most airlines use LOWER crosswind components.
When asked about the clip he told me he didn't see it but heard others talking about it. His comment was "why did they even try to land there?" He thinks they should have diverted if possible. During his last few months at United he told me he did get an A319 into Anchorage with a 35 knot crosswind. Another trip the component was over 50 knots so he diverted.
The fact that the crew damaged the aircraft does not constitute them doing a “good job” in getting the aircraft down, especially if they could have diverted. In accordance with the JARs they should have had enough fuel to divert.
BTW he retired from United with 15 years and 19,000 hours...
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03-05-2008, 12:34 PM
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| I have little doubt that there will be some type of investigation which I hope will be published.
I was half expecting a queue of Lawyers forming to claim for stress iro the passengers | |
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03-05-2008, 01:30 PM
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#36 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Originally Posted by Glider  I have little doubt that there will be some type of investigation which I hope will be published.
I was half expecting a queue of Lawyers forming to claim for stress iro the passengers | Agree.....
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03-05-2008, 01:54 PM
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Country:  | Hi Flyboyj,
>Agree.....
It's Germany - you can only expect serious damages to be paid if you are partially or totally disabled for work. Different legal system, too - no ambulance chasing around here. Don't ask me why ...
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03-05-2008, 04:22 PM
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#38 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | Just got done watching something about this on Stern TV on German TV. They interviewed 2 of the passengers. Was kind of interesting hearing what it felt like in the back.
The usual from the airline however, they will not say anything until the investigation is over.
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03-05-2008, 07:17 PM
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#39 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Originally Posted by HoHun It's Germany - you can only expect serious damages to be paid if you are partially or totally disabled for work. Different legal system, too - no ambulance chasing around here. Don't ask me why ...
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Henning (HoHun) | You do have a point....
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