Video Mega Thread - Page 3 - Aircraft of World War II

CharlesBronson · 03-29-2005, 07:22 PM

Well that is because the cluster of bullets struck in the right point, wich is below the cockpit hitting the fuel tank.
But not always was the case, for example Gunter Rall`s G-6 took more than 100 hit, without taking fire, off course he was shoot down, but at list he can tell about it.
I see guncameras with Bf-109 are hit but no flames can be seen. I guess that jap aircraft are a lot more easy to torch than germans.

To make my point a color guncamera of P-51 blasting Bf-109G-6 at short distance, as I say before no flames.

03-29-2005, 08:33 PM

Gunther Rall's plane took 7.7 mm hits, not .50 hits. 100 .50 hits would kill a 109 even if no "vital" parts were hit.

The first plane is finished after two short contacts. It does not burst into flames, but it's done. The film is edited, there is a second plane, or earlier clip spliced in at the very end.

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CharlesBronson · 03-29-2005, 08:43 PM

Early in the in the morning on May 12, 1944, Major Gunther Rall was awakened by the Division Commander.

A large formation of
American bombers and fighters was headed towards Germany to bomb six oil refineries in the area. Rall had just taken command of II/ JG11 barely a month earlier, when he left III/JG52 on the Eastern front.

Based at Husted airfield, located near the town of Celle, just north east of Hanover, II /JG11's primary task was to engage the American fighter escorts so that the more heavily armed Fw-190's could attack the bombers.

When the signal to scramble came, Rall led 25 Bf-109s from Husted and headed south west towards a formation of eight hundred B-17 and B-24 bombers, plus twelve hundred escorting fighters. Descending from 35,000 feet to 26,000 feet, Rall's group ran straight into a formation of P-47 Thunderbolts from the 56th Fighter Group.
Major Rall quickly shot down two of the P-47's but lost his wingman in the process, the latter having an
engine failure.
After executing a split-S maneuver, Rall found himself boxed in by four P-47s from "Zemke's Wolfpack". He tried desperately to out-maneuver his opponents at treetop level, but his left thumb was shot off and his Messerschmitt was heavily damaged. With his aircraft on the verge of structural failure, Rall "bailed out" at low altitude and was rescued by farmers. When the bombing attack was over, the farmers arranged for an ambulance to take Major Rall to the hospital.

Günther Rall eventually recuperated and ended the war as Wing Commander of JG 300. His final victory tally was 275 confirmed aerial victories- the third highest in history.

03-29-2005, 08:51 PM

Where does it say anything about 100 .50 hits?

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CharlesBronson · 03-29-2005, 08:54 PM

In the Rall s Memoirs, believe it or not that is the question.

Was also shot down in russia by a I-16, wich I think those are the 7,7mm bullets you talking about.

CharlesBronson · 03-30-2005, 07:31 PM

Allied Aircraft guncam attacking train and pulling up at extreme low altitude.

03-30-2005, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CharlesBronson

In the Rall s Memoirs, believe it or not that is the question.

Was also shot down in russia by a I-16, wich I think those are the 7,7mm bullets you talking about.

In Rall's memiors does it specifically say over 100 .50 hits?

I-16's also mounted two ShVAK 20mm's.

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CharlesBronson · 03-30-2005, 08:23 PM

I guess that some spanish translator want to ad something to this history.

CharlesBronson · 04-01-2005, 09:17 PM

Strafing ships with the 50 caliber, not sure but I think they are Japanese.

the lancaster kicks ass · 04-02-2005, 03:55 AM

i can't play .avi files

CharlesBronson · 04-02-2005, 10:55 AM

You need Divx codec. You can download it from here:

http://www.divx.com/divx/download/

CharlesBronson · 04-12-2005, 09:52 PM

P-51 destroying Me-262 and others in ground. In living color.

cheddar cheese · 04-13-2005, 01:45 PM

Very nice

alex109 · 04-22-2005, 11:48 PM

nice videos, any on the eastern front?

CharlesBronson · 04-23-2005, 12:29 AM

Check the topic "German guncam footage" there is several in there.

04-02-2005, 03:55 AM	#40
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03-29-2005, 08:33 PM	#32
Anonymous Guest Posts: n/a	Gunther Rall's plane took 7.7 mm hits, not .50 hits. 100 .50 hits would kill a 109 even if no "vital" parts were hit. The first plane is finished after two short contacts. It does not burst into flames, but it's done. The film is edited, there is a second plane, or earlier clip spliced in at the very end. =S= Lunatic

03-29-2005, 08:43 PM	#33
CharlesBronson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cordoba - Argentina Posts: 2,999	Early in the in the morning on May 12, 1944, Major Gunther Rall was awakened by the Division Commander. A large formation of American bombers and fighters was headed towards Germany to bomb six oil refineries in the area. Rall had just taken command of II/ JG11 barely a month earlier, when he left III/JG52 on the Eastern front. Based at Husted airfield, located near the town of Celle, just north east of Hanover, II /JG11's primary task was to engage the American fighter escorts so that the more heavily armed Fw-190's could attack the bombers. When the signal to scramble came, Rall led 25 Bf-109s from Husted and headed south west towards a formation of eight hundred B-17 and B-24 bombers, plus twelve hundred escorting fighters. Descending from 35,000 feet to 26,000 feet, Rall's group ran straight into a formation of P-47 Thunderbolts from the 56th Fighter Group. Major Rall quickly shot down two of the P-47's but lost his wingman in the process, the latter having an engine failure. After executing a split-S maneuver, Rall found himself boxed in by four P-47s from "Zemke's Wolfpack". He tried desperately to out-maneuver his opponents at treetop level, but his left thumb was shot off and his Messerschmitt was heavily damaged. With his aircraft on the verge of structural failure, Rall "bailed out" at low altitude and was rescued by farmers. When the bombing attack was over, the farmers arranged for an ambulance to take Major Rall to the hospital. Günther Rall eventually recuperated and ended the war as Wing Commander of JG 300. His final victory tally was 275 confirmed aerial victories- the third highest in history.

03-29-2005, 08:51 PM	#34
Anonymous Guest Posts: n/a	Where does it say anything about 100 .50 hits? =S= Lunatic

03-29-2005, 08:54 PM	#35
CharlesBronson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cordoba - Argentina Posts: 2,999	In the Rall s Memoirs, believe it or not that is the question. Was also shot down in russia by a I-16, wich I think those are the 7,7mm bullets you talking about.

03-30-2005, 08:23 PM	#38
CharlesBronson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cordoba - Argentina Posts: 2,999	I guess that some spanish translator want to ad something to this history.

04-02-2005, 10:55 AM	#41
CharlesBronson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cordoba - Argentina Posts: 2,999	You need Divx codec. You can download it from here: http://www.divx.com/divx/download/

04-13-2005, 01:45 PM	#43
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	Very nice

04-22-2005, 11:48 PM	#44
alex109 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1	nice videos, any on the eastern front?

04-23-2005, 12:29 AM	#45
CharlesBronson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cordoba - Argentina Posts: 2,999	Check the topic "German guncam footage" there is several in there.