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Udet · 11-22-2006, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by ndicki
They may not have had a shortage of engines in theory, but the ones they did have were crap. Not on paper, but in reality.

That did sound like a pretty clueless statement.

syscom3 · 11-22-2006, 03:59 PM

Regarding Normandy......I would think that by early July 1944, SHAEF could have considered an amphib invasion into Brittany. The Germans couldnt defend everywhere, and I could imagine Patton leading a few divisions on an end around from here.

Soundbreaker Welch? · 11-22-2006, 05:17 PM

The Luftwaffe could have carpet bombed Switzerland's citites. The Swiss didn't have as large an airforce as the English and their country's cities are smaller too. Maybe if all the living dwellings of the Swiss were just a pile of rubble it would have let the German ground forces in their Blitzkrieg take over more easily.

But a waste of time, manpower, and bombs for the Germans. And like Adler said they still had the mountains to fight from. Even if the Germans could manage to establish a Goverment, the Swiss insurgents would have had many places to hide and strike from. Similar to today's wars, I suppose.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 11-23-2006, 03:11 AM

They could not have done blitzkrieg through the mountains. Not feasable. Switzerland was a tough nut to crack and would not have been possible. It would be a very difficult task even for todays great armies.

syscom3 · 11-23-2006, 11:47 AM

Why would anyone even want to invade Switzerland? Theres nothing to be gained by doing it.

ndicki · 11-23-2006, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Udet

Originally Posted by ndicki
They may not have had a shortage of engines in theory, but the ones they did have were crap. Not on paper, but in reality.

That did sound like a pretty clueless statement.

If you read the rest of the post, you'd have seen that it was not clueless at all. Many of the Germans aircraft and engines were licensed out to producers in occupies/"allied" countries, and sabotage was rife. For example, airframes were delivered with only half the retaining bolts done up fully, causing the aircraft to break up under stress, engines were sabotaged with sand on the production line, and all parts suffered from poor quality materials and workmanship.

Siggi Knoll, who recently rebuilt an Me109g-6 from German and Spanish parts surprised me by explaining that the post-war Spanish parts were of far higher quality than the real German stuff. I had expected the exact opposite.

Clueless?

102first_hussars · 11-24-2006, 03:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

They could not have done blitzkrieg through the mountains. Not feasable. Switzerland was a tough nut to crack and would not have been possible. It would be a very difficult task even for todays great armies.

Well the Germans took Norway didnt they?

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 11-24-2006, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 102first_hussars

Well the Germans took Norway didnt they?

Norway is nothing like Switzerland. Have you actually been to these 2 countries? I have, I know. Hell I only live about 3 and half hours from Switzerland. Norway has mountains but all of Switzerland is mountains and valleys.

the lancaster kicks ass · 11-25-2006, 06:19 AM

and there are huge advantages to taking Norway, namely the Fjords in which Jerry could hide ships outside the range of allied bombers..............

11-22-2006, 03:59 PM	#62
syscom3 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 10,272	Regarding Normandy......I would think that by early July 1944, SHAEF could have considered an amphib invasion into Brittany. The Germans couldnt defend everywhere, and I could imagine Patton leading a few divisions on an end around from here. __________________ "Pilot to copilot..... what are those mountain goats doing up here in the clouds?"

11-22-2006, 05:17 PM	#63
Soundbreaker Welch? Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 1,893	The Luftwaffe could have carpet bombed Switzerland's citites. The Swiss didn't have as large an airforce as the English and their country's cities are smaller too. Maybe if all the living dwellings of the Swiss were just a pile of rubble it would have let the German ground forces in their Blitzkrieg take over more easily. But a waste of time, manpower, and bombs for the Germans. And like Adler said they still had the mountains to fight from. Even if the Germans could manage to establish a Goverment, the Swiss insurgents would have had many places to hide and strike from. Similar to today's wars, I suppose. __________________ "His motor's conked out!" "What's the differance, they're all Nazis!" "Luke, shut up!" "Fear the hook!" "Oh.....I wanna fly." "You mean the kind that go under water and fly up the stairs?" "What you doing? Oh Nooooo!" Last edited by Soundbreaker Welch?; 11-22-2006 at 05:24 PM.

11-23-2006, 03:11 AM	#64
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,150	They could not have done blitzkrieg through the mountains. Not feasable. Switzerland was a tough nut to crack and would not have been possible. It would be a very difficult task even for todays great armies. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

11-23-2006, 11:47 AM	#65
syscom3 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 10,272	Why would anyone even want to invade Switzerland? Theres nothing to be gained by doing it. __________________ "Pilot to copilot..... what are those mountain goats doing up here in the clouds?"

11-25-2006, 06:19 AM	#69
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	and there are huge advantages to taking Norway, namely the Fjords in which Jerry could hide ships outside the range of allied bombers.............. __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

11-22-2006, 03:47 PM	#61
Udet Banned Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,258	Originally Posted by ndicki They may not have had a shortage of engines in theory, but the ones they did have were crap. Not on paper, but in reality. That did sound like a pretty clueless statement.

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