1n 1939 what would your operational airforce look like - Page 2 - Aircraft of World War II

Glider · 09-26-2005, 07:20 PM

Fighter Spitfire
Heavy Fighter Me110
Support Bomber Ju88
Heavy Bomber Wellington
Anti Submarine Sunderland

Serious Alternatives
109 for Spitfire. Went with the Spit due to guns and Speed
Fokker G1 for Me110. G1 lost due to speed. It wasn't that fast and a 110 could run from anything in 1939 apart from a Spitfire. plus had devistating firepower for the period.
He111 for Wellington. The Wellington was a better all round plane.

pbfoot · 09-26-2005, 07:30 PM

but 1n 39 the 110 was a fighter whereas the g1 was fighter/ ground support with heavy weapons 8 x 7.9 mm and 2 x23 mm cannon plus bombs as opposed to 4 x 7.9 and 2 x 20mm

Glider · 09-26-2005, 08:00 PM

I am afraid that I cannot find my notes on this plane but from memory the G1 didn't carry 2 x 23 plus 8 x LMG, it was either 2 x 23 or 8 x LMG and most if not all of them carried the 8 x LMG. That said 8 LMG in the nose in 1939 was an impressive amount of firepower remembering that few if any aircraft had Armour or self sealing fuel tanks..
The G1 was very agile and capable of taking on the single engined fighters of the day. I can only say that what made me select the 110 was the speed, dive and additional power of the Cannon. Its a choice

pbfoot · 09-26-2005, 08:51 PM

your right i missed the comma in my reference it was 2 lmg and 2 cannon or 8 lmg well ithought i was perfect but am mistaken wheres all the guys with p36

carpenoctem1689 · 09-26-2005, 10:41 PM

Fighter-Bf-109
Heavy Fighter-Bf-110
Ground support-Breda Ba-65
Main bomber-Mitsubishi G3M
Carrier fighter-A5M4 Claude
trainer-AT6
Coastal defence/torpedoe bomber-SIAI SM.79
Coastal patrol or bomber-CANT Z.506
Fighter/bomber-Ki-27

syscom3 · 09-27-2005, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glider

Anti Submarine Sunderland

Excellent pick. I had forgotten about that plane.

We could make a whole new thread..."Catalina vs Sunderland".

lesofprimus · 09-27-2005, 12:46 AM

Oh God no........

Jabberwocky · 09-27-2005, 03:46 AM

Fighter- Supermarine Spitfire Mk 1

Fighter 2- Messerschmitt Bf-109E4

Fighter Bomber- Curtiss Hawk 75A

Heavy Fighter Bomber/Night Fighter- Messerschmitt Bf-110C4

Carrier Fighter- Brewster F2A1

STOL/Liasion- Westland Lysander

Seaplane- Short Sunderland

Attack Bomber- Bloch 174

Dive Bomber- Junkers Ju-87B

Medium Bomber- Douglas DB-7 Boston II

Medium Bomber2- Junkers Ju-88

Heavy Bomber- B-17B

Maratime Bomber- Cant Z.1007bis Alcione

Torpeedo Bomber- Douglas TDB Devestator

Glider- D.F.S. 230

Transport- Converted Wellington III

Probably gone a little overboard here with 16 different types, but it did get me thinking.

Other types that I couldn't really find a place for but wanted include: Bristol Beaufort Mk I, Dewointe D.520, He-111H, PBY Catalina, Feisler Storcj, Polikarpof Po-2, and the HK6 Emily.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 09-27-2005, 07:00 AM

Well this would be my list for 1939, It would drasticallychange though later in the war.

Fighter - Bf-109E
Heavy Fighter - Bf-110
Ground Support/Dive Bomber - Ju-87 Stuka
Heavy Bomber - B-17 (yeah it was crap but it was still probably the best one out there at the time)
Trainer - T-6 Texan
Medium Bomber - He-111
All Purpose Bomber - Ju-88

Gnomey · 09-27-2005, 08:55 AM

Nice lists Jabberwocky and Alder!

JCS · 09-27-2005, 06:22 PM

Bf109
Ki27
Hurricane
Ju88
He111
Ju87
Bf110
Z.1007

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 09-28-2005, 02:05 PM

Nice list there also.

MacArther · 09-28-2005, 06:03 PM

If I could choose anything from the get go, these would be my choices:

Recon/Patrol: Catalina PBY5
Attack/Close-support: Hurricane IV/IID, Il-2
Naval Fighter/Fighter bomber: F4F3/F4F4
Fighter/Interceptor: P38
Fighter/Fighter bomber: P40, Airacobra
Nightfighter: P-70
Bomber: B-29

Glider · 09-28-2005, 06:15 PM

MacArther. Suggest you check the heading of the thread, in particular the bit that says 1939.

Gnomey · 09-28-2005, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacArther

If I could choose anything from the get go, these would be my choices:

Recon/Patrol: Catalina PBY5
Attack/Close-support: Hurricane IV/IID, Il-2
Naval Fighter/Fighter bomber: F4F3/F4F4
Fighter/Interceptor: P38
Fighter/Fighter bomber: P40, Airacobra
Nightfighter: P-70
Bomber: B-29

MacArther this list is 1939 only.

Nice list JCS.

09-27-2005, 12:46 AM	#22
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09-27-2005, 07:00 AM	#24
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	Well this would be my list for 1939, It would drasticallychange though later in the war. Fighter - Bf-109E Heavy Fighter - Bf-110 Ground Support/Dive Bomber - Ju-87 Stuka Heavy Bomber - B-17 (yeah it was crap but it was still probably the best one out there at the time) Trainer - T-6 Texan Medium Bomber - He-111 All Purpose Bomber - Ju-88 __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

09-27-2005, 08:55 AM	#25
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09-27-2005, 06:22 PM	#26
JCS Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nicholson, PA Posts: 672	Bf109 Ki27 Hurricane Ju88 He111 Ju87 Bf110 Z.1007 __________________

09-28-2005, 02:05 PM	#27
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	Nice list there also. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

09-26-2005, 07:20 PM	#16
Glider Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 3,649	Fighter Spitfire Heavy Fighter Me110 Support Bomber Ju88 Heavy Bomber Wellington Anti Submarine Sunderland Serious Alternatives 109 for Spitfire. Went with the Spit due to guns and Speed Fokker G1 for Me110. G1 lost due to speed. It wasn't that fast and a 110 could run from anything in 1939 apart from a Spitfire. plus had devistating firepower for the period. He111 for Wellington. The Wellington was a better all round plane.

09-26-2005, 07:30 PM	#17
pbfoot Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: niagara falls Posts: 5,585	but 1n 39 the 110 was a fighter whereas the g1 was fighter/ ground support with heavy weapons 8 x 7.9 mm and 2 x23 mm cannon plus bombs as opposed to 4 x 7.9 and 2 x 20mm

09-26-2005, 08:00 PM	#18
Glider Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 3,649	I am afraid that I cannot find my notes on this plane but from memory the G1 didn't carry 2 x 23 plus 8 x LMG, it was either 2 x 23 or 8 x LMG and most if not all of them carried the 8 x LMG. That said 8 LMG in the nose in 1939 was an impressive amount of firepower remembering that few if any aircraft had Armour or self sealing fuel tanks.. The G1 was very agile and capable of taking on the single engined fighters of the day. I can only say that what made me select the 110 was the speed, dive and additional power of the Cannon. Its a choice

09-26-2005, 08:51 PM	#19
pbfoot Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: niagara falls Posts: 5,585	your right i missed the comma in my reference it was 2 lmg and 2 cannon or 8 lmg well ithought i was perfect but am mistaken wheres all the guys with p36

09-26-2005, 10:41 PM	#20
carpenoctem1689 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 286	Fighter-Bf-109 Heavy Fighter-Bf-110 Ground support-Breda Ba-65 Main bomber-Mitsubishi G3M Carrier fighter-A5M4 Claude trainer-AT6 Coastal defence/torpedoe bomber-SIAI SM.79 Coastal patrol or bomber-CANT Z.506 Fighter/bomber-Ki-27

09-27-2005, 03:46 AM	#23
Jabberwocky Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Japan Posts: 494	Fighter- Supermarine Spitfire Mk 1 Fighter 2- Messerschmitt Bf-109E4 Fighter Bomber- Curtiss Hawk 75A Heavy Fighter Bomber/Night Fighter- Messerschmitt Bf-110C4 Carrier Fighter- Brewster F2A1 STOL/Liasion- Westland Lysander Seaplane- Short Sunderland Attack Bomber- Bloch 174 Dive Bomber- Junkers Ju-87B Medium Bomber- Douglas DB-7 Boston II Medium Bomber2- Junkers Ju-88 Heavy Bomber- B-17B Maratime Bomber- Cant Z.1007bis Alcione Torpeedo Bomber- Douglas TDB Devestator Glider- D.F.S. 230 Transport- Converted Wellington III Probably gone a little overboard here with 16 different types, but it did get me thinking. Other types that I couldn't really find a place for but wanted include: Bristol Beaufort Mk I, Dewointe D.520, He-111H, PBY Catalina, Feisler Storcj, Polikarpof Po-2, and the HK6 Emily.

09-28-2005, 06:03 PM	#28
MacArther Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 876	If I could choose anything from the get go, these would be my choices: Recon/Patrol: Catalina PBY5 Attack/Close-support: Hurricane IV/IID, Il-2 Naval Fighter/Fighter bomber: F4F3/F4F4 Fighter/Interceptor: P38 Fighter/Fighter bomber: P40, Airacobra Nightfighter: P-70 Bomber: B-29 __________________ http://www.fictionpress.com/u/478009/ Hillary 2012: The world has to end sometime!

09-28-2005, 06:15 PM	#29
Glider Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 3,649	MacArther. Suggest you check the heading of the thread, in particular the bit that says 1939.

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