1n 1939 what would your operational airforce look like

[freebird]

Originally Posted by magnocain

Speaking of my air force...I have been working on a insignia to go with it.
What do you think

Fighter: bf 109
Bomber: B-17
Alternate Fighter: D.520
Alternate Bomber: ju88
Other: Fi 156 storch
Transport: c47
Flying Boat/Transport: Sunderland
Carrier Fighter:f4f (or the 109)
Carrier Bomber: SBD dauntless (or sea stuka)

Sorry, it's only aircraft available in 1939. The Dauntless, Wildcat & D 520 were only operational in 1940

[Vincenzo]

Originally Posted by Marcel

Few changes:

for usual i give only a principal use for the planes.
for D XVII this is reported like a fighter training aircraft.

see you're nederlander i don't found planes in Militaire Luchtvaart van het Koninklijk Nederlands-Indisch Leger in september 1939, but i think they have same of LV, only after they bought new types, this is true?

[Vincenzo]

i scrap romania from the list i don't find 1939 aircrafts, and therefore there aren't news type.
My choices:

fighter: The best fighters are surely Bf 109E and Spitfire I, only Bf 109E is on market, i choice this.

carrier fighter: F2A alone last generation on carrier and also on market this
is a choice.

heavy fighter: Bf 110 (it's more fast af all other in this category (+70 km/h) and had heavy weaponry)

dive bomber: Ju 87B

carrier dive bomber: SB2U

carrier torpedo bomber: B5N (unlucky this is not on market) my 2nd is TBD

bombers: PZL 37 (light)

heavy bombers: none, afaik none of heavy bombers was on market, and i don't think that Y1B17s, more advanced design, were fitted for war.

late i'll edit for others category

[Marcel]

Originally Posted by Vincenzo

for usual i give only a principal use for the planes.
for D XVII this is reported like a fighter training aircraft.

see you're nederlander i don't found planes in Militaire Luchtvaart van het Koninklijk Nederlands-Indisch Leger in september 1939, but i think they have same of LV, only after they bought new types, this is true?

Hi Vincenzo, the D.XVII was the standard fighter before the D.XXI, so it was a fighter, not a trainer. T.V was initially designed to do the same job as the G.I, being a "luchtkruiser" or a "Kampfzerstoerer" as the germans named it. Later they recognised it would better be seen as a bomber instead of a fighter. Nevertheless with the overwhelming air superiority of the germans, the T.V had to be returned to their original roll as a heavy fighter and even shot down a few planes.

I'm not sure what you mean by your question, but the KNIL (Royal dutch indies army) had their own policy in airplane specification. For instance, the D.XXI was designed for the KNIL, but they refused it, after which the LVA bought them. The KNIL in 1940-1941 was manly equiped with US planes, like the Curtis fighters, Martin bombers etc. and a few geman ones like the dornier flyingboat.

[Vincenzo]

i see orbat of LV for 1939 not D XVII was indicated for fighter units, is common for old fighter became training fighter. if you know in that unit D XVII was in service can you give me the info? yes for knil it's easy find 1940/1 aircrafts but for this topic need 1939 aircrafts

[Marcel]

Originally Posted by Vincenzo

i see orbat of LV for 1939 not D XVII was indicated for fighter units, is common for old fighter became training fighter. if you know in that unit D XVII was in service can you give me the info? yes for knil it's easy find 1940/1 aircrafts but for this topic need 1939 aircrafts

The D.XVII was on fighter strength until 3 rd of may 1940 in V-2-LvR, they were then withdrawn to fighter school, only to be transfered back to the LVA on the 11th of may for escorting duties.
As for the LV-KNIL in 1939, I'm not sure. I know they had Curtis Hawk 75 planes, but don't know when they were delivered, I believe in 1938 or '39 but not sure. Also on strength for sure were Martin 139 bombers, Dornier Wal flyingboats and Fokker C.V reconnaissance planes.

[Vincenzo]

for hawk 75 wikipedia report order of october 1939 and shipped in '40.
for me is hard understand nederlander but i think that martin 139 were in service from april 1939. (Glenn Martin 139 en 166)

[Marcel]

Originally Posted by Vincenzo

for hawk 75 wikipedia report order of october 1939 and shipped in '40.
for me is hard understand nederlander but i think that martin 139 were in service from april 1939. (Glenn Martin 139 en 166)

No, it says:

Op 2 september 1936 werd de eerste WH-1, de M-501 met constructienummer 656 overgedragen. Half december arriveerde de M501 en de M-502 in Nederlands-Indië

On september the 2nd 1936 the first WH-1, no. M-501, constructionnumber 656, was delivered, the M501 and M502 arrived in december in the dutch indies.
(ed. the WH-1 was the dutch version of the Martin 139)

Further more it say. Later, the 139 was developed into the 166 and this model was ordered as the WH-3. The last of these came into service in April 1939. I guess this last line causes the confusion.

I saw that I confused the order date with the delivery date of the Hawk 75, thanks. The KNIL did have however Curtiss P-6 Hawk planes, from about 1930, I guess they were still on duty in 1939 but I cannot be sure at the moment. They were at least in 1936, when they wanted to replace them with D.XXI's. They finally descided to buy bombers instead of fighters.