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Old 03-19-2005, 04:07 PM   #1
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300s only

Victors, lower your voice as the Masters of the Sky speak

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P.S. Source of this photo: unknown. Itīs been a while since some one e-mailed it to me.
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Old 03-19-2005, 05:45 PM   #2
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Victors, lower your voice as the Masters of the Sky speak

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P.S. Source of this photo: unknown. Itīs been a while since some one e-mailed it to me.
You have a point However

1) How many times were they shot down?
2) Where would their scores have stopped if like Allied pilots they were shot down over hostile teritory the first (and only) time?
3) How target rich was their skies compared to Allied pilots who were at times under orders not to prosecute a fight but to chase the German planes away?
4) How many New German pilots were sacrificed because they didn't pass their experiance on to the newbies like the Allied pilots did?

Their abilities were wasted. If they had trained a new generation of pilots they could have shot down many times what they actually did.

Had they fought over enemy soil their scores would have been on the order of the Allies highest scorers. They were great but lets not go overboard and compare apples and onions.
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And, of course,

5) How would they have fared against Francis Gabreski?
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And, of course,

5) How would they have fared against Francis Gabreski?
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and how much did they overclaimed?
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and how much did they overclaimed?


Frankly speaking, the German system of awarding the "victories" was significantly fair and just. (especially when comparred to the soviet one ). After the war Hartmann's kills were investigated by several Allied commissions and all (or almost all) were confirmed...
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