Air forces losses in WWII

[Vincenzo]

i'm looking infos on air forces losses in WWII like that can see Army Air Forces Statistical Digest - World War II for USAAF some can help me?

i found this for raf bomber command BC Main Page

i found this for us naval aviation Naval Aviation Publications

[Flyboy2]

Casualties of World War Two by Branch of Service
Country Branch of service Number served Killed/missing Wounded Prisoner of war Percent killed
-Germany Air Force[6,333-335] 2,500,000 433,000 17.32%
-Japan[1,254] Army 6,300,000 1,526,000 85,600 30,000 24.22%
-United States Army Air Forces(included in Army[69]) (3,400,000) (88,119) (17,360) 2.5%
[hide]Casualties of World War Two by Branch of Service

World War II casualties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Aircraft losses
Finland: Reported losses during the Winter War totaled 67, of which 42 were operational, while 536 aircraft were lost during the Continuation War, of which 209 were operational losses. (Overall 603).[1]
France: From the beginning of the war until the capitulation of France in 1940, 892 aircraft were lost, of which 413 were in action and 234 were on the ground. Losses included 508 fighters and 218 bombers.(Overall 892)[1]
Germany: Estimated total losses for the war totaled 27,875 aircraft, of which 7,000 were total losses and the remainder significantly damaged. By type, losses totaled 4,452 fighters, 2,037 bombers, 5,428 trainers, 1,221 twin-engine fighters, 8,548 ground attack, 3,733 reconnaissance, and 3,141 transports.[1]
Italy: Total losses were 5,272 aircraft, of which 3,269 were lost in combat.
Japan: Estimates vary from 35,000 to 50,000 total losses, with about 20,000 lost operationally.[2]
Netherlands: Total losses were 81 aircraft during the May, 1940 campaign.[2]
Poland: Total losses were 398 destroyed, including 116 fighters, 112 dive bombers, 81 reconnaissance aircraft, 36 bombers, 21 sea planes, and 9 transports.[2]
Soviet Union: Total losses were over 106,400 including 88,300 combat types.[3]
United Kingdom: Total losses in Europe were 22,010, including 10,045 fighters and 11,965 bombers. (This figure does not include aircraft lost in Asia or the Pacific.)[2]
United States: Total losses were nearly 45,000, including 22,951 operational losses (18,418 in Europe and 4,533 in the Pacific).[2]
Equipment losses in World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Hope this helps

[Kruska]

I wouldn’t want to get into that thread, because latest by evaluating losses during the BoB, it would turn into an endless statistic debate.

Regards
Kruska

[Vincenzo]

thanks for help flyboy but wikipedia is not a reliabity source
for kruska i wan't start a debate i want links at official or quasi official statistic orf air forces losses (i talking of aircrafts), everyman reading the source can have him opinion (with some salt grain obvsiosly)

[Trautloft]

i'd be interested in the numbers of fighters and bombers lost (USAAF) per type like
P-39
P-40
P-51

etc.
anyone sources or links please?

[red admiral]

Type	Sorties	Bombs Dropped Tons	Combat losses	Kills in air	Kills on ground
P-39	  30547	     121	     107	     14	       18
A-36	  23373	     8014	     177	    84	       17
P-40	  67059	     11014	     553	    481	       40
P-47	  42343      113963	    3077	   3082	    3202
P-61	  3637	      141	       25	       58	     0
P-38	  129849     20139	    1758	   1771	        749
P-51	  213873     5668	     2520	   4950	        4131

	  Loss Rate	Kill Rate	Kill/Loss
P-39	0.4	         0.0	        13.1
A-36	0.8	         0.4	        47.5
P-40	0.8	         0.7	        87.0
P-47	0.7	         0.7	        100.2
P-61	0.7	         1.6	        232.0
P-38	1.4	         1.4	        100.7
P-51	1.2	         2.3	         196.4

From Francis Dean's America's 100,000

[drgondog]

Originally Posted by red admiral

Type	Sorties	Bombs Dropped Tons	Combat losses	Kills in air	Kills on ground
P-39	  30547	     121	     107	     14	       18
A-36	  23373	     8014	     177	    84	       17
P-40	  67059	     11014	     553	    481	       40
P-47	  42343      113963	    3077	   3082	    3202
P-61	  3637	      141	       25	       58	     0
P-38	  129849     20139	    1758	   1771	        749
P-51	  213873     5668	     2520	   4950	        4131

	  Loss Rate	Kill Rate	Kill/Loss
P-39	0.4	         0.0	        13.1
A-36	0.8	         0.4	        47.5
P-40	0.8	         0.7	        87.0
P-47	0.7	         0.7	        100.2
P-61	0.7	         1.6	        232.0
P-38	1.4	         1.4	        100.7
P-51	1.2	         2.3	         196.4

From Francis Dean's America's 100,000

I suspect a digit was dropped on the P-47 sorties. 423,000 vs 42,300

I also often wonder what the source is for sorties. I have discovered that sortie statistics range from excellent to non-existant when researching individual fighter groups - much less by different types (i.e P-47 sorties versus P-51 for the 355th FG are given in aggragate but not separately).

I assume 'combat losses' refer to all Operational losses except flying accidents and ground accidents - but does your reference state its definitions?

So what sources does your reference point to?

[Trautloft]

thanks alot,thats exactly what i been lookin for since years!!

[Trautloft]

i should ask it in one of the p-61 topics,but you might know it- what caused the combat loss of 25 black widows? combat means to me ,flak,or enemy a/c ,not operational like crashes or accidents. since it was introduced very late and faced almost no opposition at all, it been told on many places/sources that only a single one been shot down (or a few but not 25). was it nightfighters,or flak? its just a random question,thanks again,great link

[drgondog]

Originally Posted by Trautloft

i should ask it in one of the p-61 topics,but you might know it- what caused the combat loss of 25 black widows? combat means to me ,flak,or enemy a/c ,not operational like crashes or accidents. since it was introduced very late and faced almost no opposition at all, it been told on many places/sources that only a single one been shot down (or a few but not 25). was it nightfighters,or flak? its just a random question,thanks again,great link

A combat ops loss could include wether, loss of control, mechanical, fuel, coolant, structural, flak, ground or tree collision, flak - away from the UK on a mission..

If an aircraft crashed after take off, or during a test hop, or rat racing around the field, or a structiural failure on a gunnery range - it was a flying accident.

If a collision occurred on the ground, etc - it was a Ground accident.

The latter two categories aren't in 'combat ops'