Aircraft Identification V - Page 12 - Aircraft of World War II

Smokey · 08-29-2005, 09:15 AM

Supermarine Type 317 or B12/36

It is also interesting to look at one design that never got into the air; the Supermarine bomber. In designing the Spitfire Mitchell had pioneered a unique method of wing construction, the single spar with a thick metal leading edge. If this leading edge section could be filled with fuel it promised an aircraft with a very thin wing and slim aerodynamic fuselage while still having large fuel capacity. The Supermarine Bomber (project B12/36) would have carried a bomb-load almost as great as the Lancaster at greater heights and at a speed close to that of the Spitfire! In short the B12/36 could have given the RAF a bomber superior to every other W.W.II type except the B29 Superfortress. As it was, Supermarine just did not have the workforce or factory capacity to push forward the project and when the prototype was destroyed on its jigs, during the Luftwaffe attack on the Woolston Supermarine factory in September 1940, the bomber project was cancelled.

Several contenders submitted their designs to the Air Ministry, namely Armstrong Whitworth, Short and Supermarine. Prototypes of the Short and Supermarine types were ordered. Somewhere along the line during the building of the prototypes the Supermarine factory where the Supermarine Type 317 prototype, powered with four Bristol Hercules radials, was being built was bombed. It was only partially complete before the German raid, while after the raid there was only wreckage left. Subsequently, Supermarine then cancelled the project.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~fbonne/warbird...tirlingverstab
http://freespace.virgin.net/john.dell/spitmich.htm

Another pic:

http://www.rjmitchell-spitfire.co.uk...sp?sectionID=4

Quote:

Bombs could be carried in the fuselage as well as in the wings, reducing the overall size of the planes fuselage. Three possible engines were proposed (see below). The plans were accepted by the Air Ministry but unfortuanely the two prototypes, along with the detailed plans, were destroyed by the bombing of the Supermarine Works, Woolston in September 1940.

Supermarine Works, facing river Itchen, Woolston, Southampton

http://www.supermarine-spitfire.co.uk/memories.html

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 08-30-2005, 06:06 PM

Crazy stuff.

Dogwalker · 12-22-2005, 08:31 PM

I think it's easy, but someone requested more pics of this plane (one of my favourites) in the past

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y262/DogW/073e2321.jpg

Just a present.

Sorry for the intrusion if you already know these.

cheddar cheese · 12-23-2005, 12:10 PM

Now theres an Italian plane I dont recognise...

Unless it isnt really Italian...

Argh Now im angry

JCS · 12-23-2005, 12:34 PM

I think its a Caproni Vizzola something or other...

cheddar cheese · 12-23-2005, 12:37 PM

You may be right, it almost looks like an F.6 with a Radial...

Dogwalker · 12-23-2005, 12:40 PM

Not proper a radial.

DogW

cheddar cheese · 12-23-2005, 12:43 PM

Aha! The name escapes me but I've seen profile of a certain Caproni/ Reggiane with a jet similar to that of the Caproni-Campini CC.2, as well as a prop at the front...

Were any of them made? Is it one of them?

JCS · 12-23-2005, 12:46 PM

This ones starting to bug me, I used to know it and had a picture of it but I deleted my plane folder a few weeks ago when I became less interested in planes.....now I cant seem to remember any of them...

Dogwalker · 12-23-2005, 12:46 PM

No, no, it's something more convenctional, and yes, it's a Caproni Vizzola "F series" fighter.

DogW

JCS · 12-23-2005, 12:49 PM

Is it an F.5?

cheddar cheese · 12-23-2005, 12:56 PM

It looks a little too modern for an F.5...

An F.6Z?

Dogwalker · 12-23-2005, 12:56 PM

You got it. It's the last of the series, the F6z, with the Isotta Fraschini 24 cilindres - air cooled - X configurated (and finally reliable

) - "Zeta" engine.
The pics were taken at Guidonia Airport, where te plane was tested until 8 september 1943.

DogW

cheddar cheese · 12-23-2005, 12:58 PM

Hooray I got it!

Thats a nice pic

Dogwalker · 12-23-2005, 01:34 PM

Just a little too big, I know. Forgive me, and say what plane is it (yes the holes in the nose are guns).

DogW

08-30-2005, 06:06 PM	#167
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,150	Crazy stuff. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

12-23-2005, 12:34 PM	#170
JCS Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nicholson, PA Posts: 672	I think its a Caproni Vizzola something or other... __________________

12-23-2005, 12:46 PM	#174
JCS Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nicholson, PA Posts: 672	This ones starting to bug me, I used to know it and had a picture of it but I deleted my plane folder a few weeks ago when I became less interested in planes.....now I cant seem to remember any of them... __________________

12-23-2005, 12:49 PM	#176
JCS Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nicholson, PA Posts: 672	Is it an F.5? __________________

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12-22-2005, 08:31 PM	#168
Dogwalker Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Manziana Field, near Rome Posts: 260	I think it's easy, but someone requested more pics of this plane (one of my favourites) in the past http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y262/DogW/073e2321.jpg Just a present. Sorry for the intrusion if you already know these.

12-23-2005, 12:10 PM	#169
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	Now theres an Italian plane I dont recognise... Unless it isnt really Italian... Argh Now im angry

12-23-2005, 12:37 PM	#171
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	You may be right, it almost looks like an F.6 with a Radial...

12-23-2005, 12:40 PM	#172
Dogwalker Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Manziana Field, near Rome Posts: 260	Not proper a radial. DogW

12-23-2005, 12:43 PM	#173
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	Aha! The name escapes me but I've seen profile of a certain Caproni/ Reggiane with a jet similar to that of the Caproni-Campini CC.2, as well as a prop at the front... Were any of them made? Is it one of them?

12-23-2005, 12:46 PM	#175
Dogwalker Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Manziana Field, near Rome Posts: 260	No, no, it's something more convenctional, and yes, it's a Caproni Vizzola "F series" fighter. DogW

12-23-2005, 12:56 PM	#177
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	It looks a little too modern for an F.5... An F.6Z?

12-23-2005, 12:56 PM	#178
Dogwalker Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Manziana Field, near Rome Posts: 260	You got it. It's the last of the series, the F6z, with the Isotta Fraschini 24 cilindres - air cooled - X configurated (and finally reliable ) - "Zeta" engine. The pics were taken at Guidonia Airport, where te plane was tested until 8 september 1943. DogW

12-23-2005, 12:58 PM	#179
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	Hooray I got it! Thats a nice pic

12-23-2005, 01:34 PM	#180
Dogwalker Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Manziana Field, near Rome Posts: 260	Just a little too big, I know. Forgive me, and say what plane is it (yes the holes in the nose are guns). DogW

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