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next one...
Your namesake?
The Bernard V2... |
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10-07-2008, 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by v2  next one... | Your namesake? 
The Bernard V2 | 
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10-09-2008, 01:34 PM
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10-10-2008, 09:28 AM
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10-10-2008, 07:00 PM
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Country:  | once again I need some genius , another dilmna from the back yard they went like hell about 10 laps but they didn't get low . there was two of them nut there appears to be 2 xtra fins
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10-11-2008, 07:54 AM
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Country: | Looks like a T6 Texan II - Pilatus built in USA
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10-12-2008, 04:28 PM
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Country: | Yup... looks very similar to the Pilatus PC9 as used by the RAAF .... I used to make the wings.... not just me, I had help  | |
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10-12-2008, 05:04 PM
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Country: | Yup, definitely looks like it. The R.A.F. version is the Embraer-designed Tucano, built under licence by Shorts of Belfast. I believe the others, Pilatus et al, are also licenced from Embraer. What appears to be two fins I think is light reflecting off the fuselage, plus the ventral fin. A very nice aircraft, BTW.
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10-12-2008, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Airframes Yup, definitely looks like it. The R.A.F. version is the Embraer-designed Tucano, built under licence by Shorts of Belfast. I believe the others, Pilatus et al, are also licenced from Embraer. What appears to be two fins I think is light reflecting off the fuselage, plus the ventral fin. A very nice aircraft, BTW. | The Texan II is a USA tailored Pilatus built by Raytheon winner of the Jpats.
The aussie one is also a pilatus.
But they have nothing in common with the British Tucanoes or the Brasilian ones. The Tucano was also a contender of the Jpats. | |
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Country: | Thanks for that. I think I read that Embraer had bought some design data from Pilatus, that led to the Tucano; the same reading indicated that the RAF (or MoD Procurement) had originally looked at the Pilatus, but could get a better deal via Emraer's licencing. Apparently, the first two (?) aircraft were supplied by Embraer, for evaluation etc., back in the seventies. However, it's quite some time since I saw this info, so I could very well be wrong! | |
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10-12-2008, 09:19 PM
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Country: | The whole trainer procurement project for the RAAF was a nightmare.... originally the RAAF wanted a locally designed side by trainer, the CT4 Wamira. Due to cost over runs, mainly caused by the RAAF that kept changing the requirements and the project was dumped.... it became a choice between the Turcano, PC7 and PC9... the PC9 won
I was working for CAC at the time as an QA Inspector and I was also the unofficial company cartoonist. The project problems provided me with lots of cartoon material, kept me busy for months.... 
..... and plenty of friction with the higher ups  AAC Wamira - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | |
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10-13-2008, 09:31 AM
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Country: | Looks like a similar thing happened then. Apparently, the RAF ( or more correctly, MoD) also had conflicts between home-grown designs, the PC9 and the Tucano; the latter, as you know, won the day. I have heard though, that the final decision, apart from costs, also had something to do with the political situation re Northern Ireland, and Shorts of Belfast got the contract.
Done a bit of checking since the last posr. It seems that Pilatus were influenced by design features of the Brazilian Tucano, which led, in part, to development of the PC9 over the PC7.
Overall, though, it is remarkable how similar these aircraft look. The British contender, the Firecracker, also looked very similar. Put the Pilatus, Tucano and Firecracker alongside each other, in RAF trainer colours, and they'd look almost the same! Like your bit about the cartoons!
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