Aircraft Identification V - Page 179 - Aircraft of World War II

Graeme · 01-24-2009, 07:42 AM

Thanks Wayne, for the detailed summary.

Here's how my confusion and doubts arose...

I managed to find the article with the photo you posted. The date is listed as September 12 1946. At this stage the Ayrshire is described only as a model and a "militarised version of the Ambassador"...

armstrong whitworth | 1946 | 1785 | Flight Archive

...and since the first flight of the Ambassador was only 10 months away I guessed that Airspeed must have already been in the process of construction. This is backed up by an advertisement appearing in Janes 45/46 (which some doubt!) with the line.."Designed and now under construction". Therefore I concluded, incorrectly, that the AS.60 couldn't have been a concurrent design as...
A) the Brabazon Type IIA request did not involve military transports, and
B) was still in the model phase by end of 1946.

Brabazon Committee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It obviously went through a lot of design changes, as you mentioned, before reaching a 47/49 passenger format. I've read that Airspeeds' slow production rate and failure to develop the turboprop version saved the Vickers Viscount from obscurity.

Waynos · 01-24-2009, 07:53 AM

Good stuff Graeme, thanks. Yes, by that time the Ambassador was well known (those ads had appeared in Flight too) and although the Air Ministry had dropped its interest in the Ayrshire already (as opposed to the claim) Airspeed were hoping to attract foreign sales (and fund the civil models of it too) hence the displaying of the model at Radlett in '46 (this was the forerunner of the Farnborough Show, which began in 194

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Waynos · 01-24-2009, 01:42 PM

Here's one thats a bit different to go at, pretty, isn't she;

Graeme · 01-24-2009, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waynos

Here's one thats a bit different to go at, pretty, isn't she;

I can see light between plane and ground, so no "secret paper project" here.

The Ilyushin Il-102...

Ilyushin Il-102 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Storch · 01-25-2009, 04:55 AM

Hello everybody!!

Some one know this plane please?

Thank you!

paaln · 01-25-2009, 07:02 AM

Dutch. Werkspoor Jumbo. 1929. Their only attempt at aircraft making.

Translated via google translate tool:
Translated version of http://www.airwar.ru/enc/cw1/jumbo.html

Graeme · 01-25-2009, 09:00 AM

Nice work paaln!

Built but not flown (So I've read)...

Waynos · 01-25-2009, 09:41 AM

Looks reminiscent of a Tsybin design, but I can't remeber which one I'm thinking of, duh!

I'll come back, unless I'm completely wrong when I do find it, lol

Storch · 01-25-2009, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paaln

Dutch. Werkspoor Jumbo. 1929. Their only attempt at aircraft making.

Translated via google translate tool:
Translated version of http://www.airwar.ru/enc/cw1/jumbo.html

Ok thank you very much!Best weshes!

Graeme · 01-25-2009, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waynos

Looks reminiscent of a Tsybin design, but I can't remeber which one I'm thinking of, duh!

I'll come back, unless I'm completely wrong when I do find it, lol

That's good enough for me Wayne. Yep, a Tsybin it is. The Tsybin RSR R-020 with wing tip R-11F jet engines. Three were completed but never flown?

Waynos · 01-25-2009, 06:02 PM

Thanks Graeme, The info I have says three possibly completed with ten more in manufacture but definitely never flown.

Graeme · 01-27-2009, 03:58 AM

Yet another "built but not flown"...

Storch · 01-27-2009, 05:12 PM

Hello it's me again!

Do some one can tell me what's this airplane (I'm not sure that we can already call that a airplane

) I founed in Airliner:

Photos: Unknown Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net

Apparently I may be Russian...Thank you !!

A4K · 01-28-2009, 02:29 PM

Graeme's looks like a variation on the Sikorsky Ilya Muromets bomber..?

Graeme · 01-28-2009, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A4K

looks like a variation on the Sikorsky Ilya Muromets bomber..?

G'day Evan. You're certainly in the right time frame but this monster is the British AD Type 1 No.1000 Floatplane. The 'Greenhouse' nacelle (in the 'Gun Machine' version) was intended to carry a 12-pounder naval gun which could be depressed 38 degrees to the horizontal and 49 degrees above. The plan was to attack Zeppelins from above and fire shells at warships whilst circling them. The No.1000 version was the torpedo bomber version, carrying an 18 inch Mk.VII long range torpedo but it never flew and was broken up in 1916 at Felixstowe.

It was the brainchild of "eccentric" engineer Harris Booth and manufactured by Samuel White & Co. Ltd. in 1915.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Storch

Hello it's me again!

Do some one can tell me what's this airplane (I'm not sure that we can already call that a airplane

) I founed in Airliner:

Photos: Unknown Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net

Apparently I may be Russian...Thank you !!

Storch, that looks like a distorted (time travel can do that) Yak-18 trapped in the "Time Tunnel."...

01-24-2009, 07:53 AM	#2672
Waynos Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 914	Good stuff Graeme, thanks. Yes, by that time the Ambassador was well known (those ads had appeared in Flight too) and although the Air Ministry had dropped its interest in the Ayrshire already (as opposed to the claim) Airspeed were hoping to attract foreign sales (and fund the civil models of it too) hence the displaying of the model at Radlett in '46 (this was the forerunner of the Farnborough Show, which began in 194. __________________ BlondeValkyrie - Bugger off and host your OWN pictures you thieving twat

01-24-2009, 01:42 PM	#2673
Waynos Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 914	Here's one thats a bit different to go at, pretty, isn't she; __________________ BlondeValkyrie - Bugger off and host your OWN pictures you thieving twat

01-25-2009, 09:41 AM	#2678
Waynos Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 914	Looks reminiscent of a Tsybin design, but I can't remeber which one I'm thinking of, duh! I'll come back, unless I'm completely wrong when I do find it, lol __________________ BlondeValkyrie - Bugger off and host your OWN pictures you thieving twat

01-25-2009, 06:02 PM	#2681
Waynos Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 914	Thanks Graeme, The info I have says three possibly completed with ten more in manufacture but definitely never flown. __________________ BlondeValkyrie - Bugger off and host your OWN pictures you thieving twat

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01-24-2009, 07:42 AM	#2671
Graeme Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,076	Thanks Wayne, for the detailed summary. Here's how my confusion and doubts arose... I managed to find the article with the photo you posted. The date is listed as September 12 1946. At this stage the Ayrshire is described only as a model and a "militarised version of the Ambassador"... armstrong whitworth \| 1946 \| 1785 \| Flight Archive ...and since the first flight of the Ambassador was only 10 months away I guessed that Airspeed must have already been in the process of construction. This is backed up by an advertisement appearing in Janes 45/46 (which some doubt!) with the line.."Designed and now under construction". Therefore I concluded, incorrectly, that the AS.60 couldn't have been a concurrent design as... A) the Brabazon Type IIA request did not involve military transports, and B) was still in the model phase by end of 1946. Brabazon Committee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia It obviously went through a lot of design changes, as you mentioned, before reaching a 47/49 passenger format. I've read that Airspeeds' slow production rate and failure to develop the turboprop version saved the Vickers Viscount from obscurity.

01-25-2009, 04:55 AM	#2675
Storch Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 47	Hello everybody!! Some one know this plane please? Thank you!

01-25-2009, 07:02 AM	#2676
paaln Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Oslo Posts: 93	Dutch. Werkspoor Jumbo. 1929. Their only attempt at aircraft making. Translated via google translate tool: Translated version of http://www.airwar.ru/enc/cw1/jumbo.html

01-25-2009, 09:00 AM	#2677
Graeme Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,076	Nice work paaln! Built but not flown (So I've read)...

01-27-2009, 03:58 AM	#2682
Graeme Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,076	Yet another "built but not flown"...

01-27-2009, 05:12 PM	#2683
Storch Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 47	Hello it's me again! Do some one can tell me what's this airplane (I'm not sure that we can already call that a airplane ) I founed in Airliner: Photos: Unknown Aircraft Pictures \| Airliners.net Apparently I may be Russian...Thank you !!

01-28-2009, 02:29 PM	#2684
A4K Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3,106	Graeme's looks like a variation on the Sikorsky Ilya Muromets bomber..?

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