Aircraft Identification V - Page 2 - Aircraft of World War II

cheddar cheese · 07-09-2005, 04:41 PM

Not really, looks pretty streamlined...

the lancaster kicks ass · 07-09-2005, 04:47 PM

so does a baked bean

even with 800hp, i'll eat...a ginster's "cornish" pasty if that thing can reach 500+ mph........

cheddar cheese · 07-09-2005, 04:50 PM

Ambrosini S.A.I 403 Dardo does 410mph with 700hp...its not unreasonable...

the lancaster kicks ass · 07-09-2005, 04:54 PM

no, CC, the stats say she could, did she ever pull it off??

and this plane, whilst she may be light for what she is, will be heavier than the ambrosini, and she only has 100 extra hp?? i don't think so.........

cheddar cheese · 07-09-2005, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass

no, CC, the stats say she could, did she ever pull it off??

and this plane, whilst she may be light for what she is, will be heavier than the ambrosini, and she only has 100 extra hp?? i don't think so.........

And is much more streamlined and more advanced...

Yes, it did achieve it...

the lancaster kicks ass · 07-09-2005, 05:04 PM

at full combat spec.??

even if it is advanced, 2x the engines for an extra 100hp will not push it over 500mph, i mean that's the weight of two engines and the extra fuel........

cheddar cheese · 07-09-2005, 05:18 PM

Yep...I've been through all this before...

red admiral · 07-09-2005, 05:42 PM

- The engines are made from magnesium i believe and are very light.

- The contra-rotating props give about 15% more efficiency than a single propellor. So 2x450*1.15=1035hp.

- The tail area is negligible. There are no bulky radiators.

- Forward swept wings give more streamlining. ( c. 5-8degrees)

- Short span cuts down drag, but lessens maneuverability.

I have a rough spreadsheet for building your own aircraft on excel. On this the estimated top speed is about 530mph@sea level.

Lanc, does your cornish pasty have carrots?

cheddar cheese · 07-09-2005, 05:44 PM

Magnesium engines? Sweet...

kiwimac · 07-10-2005, 06:28 AM

LOL

red admiral · 07-10-2005, 06:56 AM

Engine ( Values given are for 1 engine ) :
Type : T50 B1
Power : 400 (450) hp 500 hp
Revolutions : 4500 rpm ( 4700 )
Weight : 220 kg
Number of cylinders : 8 8
Firing sequence : 1 - 6 - 2 - 5 - 8 - 3 - 7 - 4
Capacity : 4700 cm3
Engine Block : aluminium
Lubrication : under pressure with dry casing
Cooling : with water in 1 radiator doubles half for each engine
Accessories: magnesium
Supercharger: 1 Roots compressor
Distribution: 2 camshafts at the head

From that French site. Aluminum engine block, magnesium other bits. This is what happens when you work from memory.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-10-2005, 08:44 AM

I think the aircraft is beuatiful. I really wonder how she would have panned out as a fighter.

Smokey · 07-10-2005, 09:25 AM

The engines in the Model 100 are not "simple" T50B engines! The T50B was too heavy, the aluminium block had to be redesigned and recast in magnesium. Also a special, leightweight, Roots supercharger was fitted. In the picture the engines can be seen, in the plane.

Source
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/morlock68/bugatti.htm

cheddar cheese · 07-10-2005, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

I think the aircraft is beuatiful. I really wonder how she would have panned out as a fighter.

Pretty good I think. Obviously performance would have deteriorated with added guns etc but it would be among the elite.

JCS · 07-10-2005, 04:43 PM

Try this one....

07-09-2005, 04:47 PM	#17
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	so does a baked bean even with 800hp, i'll eat...a ginster's "cornish" pasty if that thing can reach 500+ mph........ __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

07-09-2005, 04:54 PM	#19
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	no, CC, the stats say she could, did she ever pull it off?? and this plane, whilst she may be light for what she is, will be heavier than the ambrosini, and she only has 100 extra hp?? i don't think so......... __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

07-09-2005, 05:04 PM	#21
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	at full combat spec.?? even if it is advanced, 2x the engines for an extra 100hp will not push it over 500mph, i mean that's the weight of two engines and the extra fuel........ __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

07-10-2005, 06:28 AM	#25
kiwimac Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Deepest Darkest NZ Posts: 1,131	LOL __________________

07-10-2005, 08:44 AM	#27
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,011	I think the aircraft is beuatiful. I really wonder how she would have panned out as a fighter. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

07-09-2005, 04:41 PM	#16
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	Not really, looks pretty streamlined...

07-09-2005, 04:50 PM	#18
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	Ambrosini S.A.I 403 Dardo does 410mph with 700hp...its not unreasonable...

07-09-2005, 05:18 PM	#22
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	Yep...I've been through all this before...

07-09-2005, 05:42 PM	#23
red admiral Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 369	- The engines are made from magnesium i believe and are very light. - The contra-rotating props give about 15% more efficiency than a single propellor. So 2x450*1.15=1035hp. - The tail area is negligible. There are no bulky radiators. - Forward swept wings give more streamlining. ( c. 5-8degrees) - Short span cuts down drag, but lessens maneuverability. I have a rough spreadsheet for building your own aircraft on excel. On this the estimated top speed is about 530mph@sea level. Lanc, does your cornish pasty have carrots?

07-09-2005, 05:44 PM	#24
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	Magnesium engines? Sweet...

07-10-2005, 06:56 AM	#26
red admiral Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 369	Engine ( Values given are for 1 engine ) : Type : T50 B1 Power : 400 (450) hp 500 hp Revolutions : 4500 rpm ( 4700 ) Weight : 220 kg Number of cylinders : 8 8 Firing sequence : 1 - 6 - 2 - 5 - 8 - 3 - 7 - 4 Capacity : 4700 cm3 Engine Block : aluminium Lubrication : under pressure with dry casing Cooling : with water in 1 radiator doubles half for each engine Accessories: magnesium Supercharger: 1 Roots compressor Distribution: 2 camshafts at the head From that French site. Aluminum engine block, magnesium other bits. This is what happens when you work from memory.

07-10-2005, 09:25 AM	#28
Smokey Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 532	The engines in the Model 100 are not "simple" T50B engines! The T50B was too heavy, the aluminium block had to be redesigned and recast in magnesium. Also a special, leightweight, Roots supercharger was fitted. In the picture the engines can be seen, in the plane. Source http://perso.wanadoo.fr/morlock68/bugatti.htm

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