Aircraft Identification V

[Marcogrifo]

Originally Posted by carson1934

Hello gentlemen,

Help required: does the attached image represent a Curtiss-Wright BT/32 "condor"?
There are conflicting views over the identification with a friend of mine.
Thanks in advance
carson1934

Dear carson,
this below is an excerpt from Putnam's "Curtiss Aircraft 1907 - 1947", I hope can help you...



And here below is a detail of your photo, where (barely visible on lower surface of low wing) I can see what IMO is the chinese air force insigna, so that should be the only one plane sold to China. Do you agree?



Cheers

[verner]

Carson, there were other models also:

[vikingBerserker]

Originally Posted by Marcogrifo

And here below is a detail of your photo, where (barely visible on lower surface of low wing) I can see what IMO is the chinese air force insigna, so that should be the only one plane sold to China. Do you agree?

Nicely done!

I did not even notice it.

[carson1934]

Originally Posted by Marcogrifo

Dear carson,
this below is an excerpt from Putnam's "Curtiss Aircraft 1907 - 1947", I hope can help you...



And here below is a detail of your photo, where (barely visible on lower surface of low wing) I can see what IMO is the chinese air force insigna, so that should be the only one plane sold to China. Do you agree?



Cheers

Hi Marcogrifo,
what a keen eyesight you have...and thanks for pointing it out to me.
I agree with the Chinese insignia
Nicely done
carson1934

[carson1934]

Originally Posted by verner

Carson, there were other models also:

Hi Verner,
what a fascinating story about Curtiss Condors'!
In my opinion even if it wasn't a milestone in passenger air travel it was an important step in fostering air transportation for the general public albeit it remained in service for just three years.
The picture you have attached must be CO Condor (Mod.53) of 1929; of course comprehensive information may be obtained through Aerofiles
Cheers and have a very nice week end
carson1934

[carson1934]

Just to keep the ball rolling, what is it?
carson1934

[Waynos]

Is it the Nord Norvegie ?(sorry about the guessed spelling but if its right you'll understand )

[Graeme]

Originally Posted by Marcogrifo

OK, guess this:

What was the final verdict with this one Marcogrifo? The tail looks like a Macchi?

Originally Posted by carson1934

Just to keep the ball rolling, what is it?

The SFAN 11, Carson.

SFAN 11 -

Originally Posted by Waynos

Is it the Nord Norvegie ?(sorry about the guessed spelling but if its right you'll understand )

The Nord NC.856 Norvigie. The tail is different and the SFAN dates back to 1940 (I think).

[carson1934]

Originally Posted by Marcogrifo

OK, guess this:



P.S.: I decided in this case I do not hide the code on fuselage because it shoudn't help so much in guessing the plane (but someone can always contradict me... )

Cheers

Hi Marcogrifo,
for some strange reasons your post appeared on my PC only this morning and I'm glad you submitted it.
It is the: LAR GR-2 of 1959, product of an unknown (at least for me) italian manufacturer.
The only picture about this A/C I found on Aviastar but no other information.
Any additional information you may have on this aircraft is appreciated
carson1934

[carson1934]

Originally Posted by Graeme

What was the final verdict with this one Marcogrifo? The tail looks like a Macchi?





The SFAN 11, Carson.

SFAN 11 -




The Nord NC.856 Norvigie. The tail is different and the SFAN dates back to 1940 (I think).

Concerning my post #3276 it is the SFAN/11, a french liaison and recce prototype of 1940.
concerning Marcogrifo's mystery plane please see my today's post to him.
Cheers
carson1934

[Marcogrifo]

Originally Posted by carson1934

Hi Marcogrifo,
for some strange reasons your post appeared on my PC only this morning and I'm glad you submitted it.
It is the: LAR GR-2 of 1959, product of an unknown (at least for me) italian manufacturer.
The only picture about this A/C I found on Aviastar but no other information.
Any additional information you may have on this aircraft is appreciated
carson1934

Sorry, carson, but the first info about the mystery plane I have to give you is that the identification you correctly found on Aviastar site is wrong

The actual name for that nice little racer is QR.2 bis and was a private venture of Queirolo and Recanatini engineers, better known for another project, the twin-engined QR.14.
Here is a page from italian Aerofan magazine ( issue #4, year 1978 ):



For non-italian speakers, the caption at the bottom says:

The QR.2 bis, powered by a Fiat A.54 - 130 Hp engine, was finished after the end of WWII (the project started before 1938 ) and registered as "I-BICI". The only one model built was still flying during the fifties, here seen at Milano-Linate field.

This little beauty was entirely made of wood, and had following characteristics:

wingspan = 8,90 m
length = 7,60 m
height = 2,53 m
max speed = 270 km/h
ceiling = 5100 m.

Cheers

[carson1934]

Originally Posted by Marcogrifo

Sorry, carson, but the first info about the mystery plane I have to give you is that the identification you correctly found on Aviastar site is wrong

The actual name for that nice little racer is QR.2 bis and was a private venture of Queirolo and Recanatini engineers, better known for another project, the twin-engined QR.14.
Here is a page from italian Aerofan magazine ( issue #4, year 1978 ):



For non-italian speakers, the caption at the bottom says:

This little beauty was entirely made of wood, and had following characteristics:

wingspan = 8,90 m
length = 7,60 m
height = 2,53 m
max speed = 270 km/h
ceiling = 5100 m.

Cheers

Hi Marcogrifo,
thanks a million for the information concerning the QR/2/Bis.
As you can see I was completely misled by Aviastar which quotes a completely different denomination for this particular A/C. No wonder I couldn't find any track about it!
Maybe somebody should advise Aviastar accordingly.
Cheers
carson1934

[carson1934]

I would like to inform that the quotation "Bestelli-Colombo C-3" on the corresponding editorial of Aviastar is apparently wrong.
The actual name of the aircraft is: Bestetti-Colombo C/3 which made her first flight in 1943 and crashed during trial.
Interesting comments are available on the appropriate box at foot of Aviastar editorial written by oelimar@interfree.it.
I am attaching a pic of this aircraft as available from Aviastar
This could be interesting for whoever likes italian less known aircrafts!
Cheers
carson1934

[carson1934]

Now gentlemen, what about the name of this elegant european twin engined executive?
carson1934

[Graeme]

Originally Posted by carson1934

Now gentlemen, what about the name of this elegant european twin engined executive?
carson1934

Austrian with a long name. The Simmering-Graz-Pauker SGP-222 Flamingo. Your photo depicts a late production machine with the square-tip fin...



Drawing of early production Flamingo with the more curvaceous tail...