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Krabat42 · 07-06-2007, 06:23 AM

An early Do-17 with BMW VI engines. But E or F is hard to distinguish. What were the differences of these two versions? Does anybody know?

AFAIK the E was a bomber and the F was a reconnaissance plane, but I'm not sure about that.

Wurger · 07-06-2007, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Krabat42

An early Do-17 with BMW VI engines. But E or F is hard to distinguish. What were the differences of these two versions? Does anybody know?

AFAIK the E was a bomber and the F was a reconnaissance plane, but I'm not sure about that.

As memory serves,
E-a bomber
F- a long range reconnaissance a/c
Differences:
F-1 version: armament 1xMG15 7.62mm firing forward ( flexible mounted in right windw of the cockpit windshield ) and one flexible mounted MG15 which could be used as the upper or lower machine gun.Some cameras- a manual camera Zeiss FL.K.C/5a and three fixed cameras - Zeiss RMK 10/8 for panoramic pictures,Zeiss RMK 50/30 light camera,Zeiss RMK 75/30 heavy camera.Later were used automatic cameras for mass panoramic pictures (Reihnbilderkamera) - Rb 10/8, Rb 20/30 and Rb 50/30.This version was equipped with an additional fuel tank.

E-1/2/3 version: armament 1xMG15 flexible mounted at the upper battle station firing backward,1xMG15 mounted at the lower battle station firing also back.Certainly, bombs 500-750 kg - standard bombload 10xSC50 50kg bombs or 4xSD100 100kg bombs or 2xSD250 250kg bombs.

Graeme · 07-06-2007, 09:17 PM

In the meantime, try this one;

Wurger · 07-07-2007, 07:01 PM

I've seen a such one at a kindergarden.

Graeme · 07-07-2007, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Wurger

I've seen a such one at a kindergarden.

Wurger · 07-08-2007, 01:55 PM

Now it is better,However it is still looking like a one which was taken from a kindergarten.

Graeme · 07-08-2007, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Wurger

Now it is better,However it is still looking like a one which was taken from a kindergarten.

And if the kids at the kindergarten grow bored-brighten it up with another wing.

If you get bored of the kids just hop in, and fly away.

(PS- Thanks Wurger and Krabat42 for your input on the Do 17. Revealed as just a 'Dornier Do 17' this am, regardless of model)

Glider · 07-08-2007, 08:30 PM

A guess, the Miles Master M24 in the second photo, fitted with the slip wing tried on the Hurricane for extra range.

Graeme · 07-08-2007, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Glider

A guess, the Miles Master M24 in the second photo, fitted with the slip wing tried on the Hurricane for extra range.

No and Yes. It's the Hillson Bi-mono. An interesting experiment in allowing an aircraft to take-off from grass fields or roads at 'overload' weights, then 'slip' the wing off in flight to regain maneouvrability and fighting performance.
Built in 1940 its performance was so bad that the maximum speed as a biplane was less than the stalling speed as a monoplane; in other words; jettisoning the top wing caused an immediate stall. A single, successful 'slip' was made on July 16 1941. The company pilot reported a gentle sink of a few hundred feet on jettisoning. There are protective frames round the rudder and elevator horn balances, presumably to protect the control surfaces when the top wing was dropped. The monoplane landing was described as "like a high speed kangaroo."

And yes, this interesting experiment continued with the bi-plane Hurricane.

mosquitoman · 07-09-2007, 04:31 AM

What's this one then?

Graeme · 07-09-2007, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by mosquitoman

What's this one then?

Swedish air force insignia-looks like museum flying day-Google 'Swedish air force Museum'. Is it a.."FVM/CFM 01 Tummelisa"?

mosquitoman · 07-09-2007, 05:50 AM

Yep

Krabat42 · 07-10-2007, 03:50 AM

Is this at Duxfords Flying Legends this year? I read the Tummelisa would be a visitor.

mosquitoman · 07-10-2007, 04:15 AM

Yes it was, did a good display aswell.

trackend · 07-10-2007, 05:58 AM

Heres a couple of more shots (nice Pic Mossie)

07-07-2007, 07:01 PM	#1099
Wurger Siggy Master Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 13,964	I've seen a such one at a kindergarden. __________________

07-08-2007, 01:55 PM	#1101
Wurger Siggy Master Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 13,964	Now it is better,However it is still looking like a one which was taken from a kindergarten. __________________

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mosquitoman Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Saffron Walden/Sheffield Posts: 2,991	Yep __________________ When you realise that the light at the end of the tunnel is actually an oncoming train, you know it's time to run for your life

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mosquitoman Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Saffron Walden/Sheffield Posts: 2,991	Yes it was, did a good display aswell. __________________ When you realise that the light at the end of the tunnel is actually an oncoming train, you know it's time to run for your life

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07-06-2007, 06:23 AM	#1096
Krabat42 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Munich Posts: 305	An early Do-17 with BMW VI engines. But E or F is hard to distinguish. What were the differences of these two versions? Does anybody know? AFAIK the E was a bomber and the F was a reconnaissance plane, but I'm not sure about that.

07-06-2007, 09:17 PM	#1098
Graeme Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,081	In the meantime, try this one;

07-08-2007, 08:30 PM	#1103
Glider Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 3,649	A guess, the Miles Master M24 in the second photo, fitted with the slip wing tried on the Hurricane for extra range.

07-10-2007, 03:50 AM	#1108
Krabat42 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Munich Posts: 305	Is this at Duxfords Flying Legends this year? I read the Tummelisa would be a visitor.

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