Aircraft Identification V - Page 9 - Aircraft of World War II

SM79Sparviero · 08-13-2005, 09:10 AM

It is not a "might have been". A prototype was ready to be tested in 1943.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 08-13-2005, 09:57 AM

I am sure it is Italian but it looks almost like a French aircraft.

evangilder · 08-13-2005, 11:12 AM

The pic above looks like an oversized Mitchell to me, at least from the side.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 08-13-2005, 11:13 AM

Yeah it does.

evangilder · 08-13-2005, 11:24 AM

Kinda looks like the B-24 cargo version as well (C-87/C-109) but it's a tail dragger.

JCS · 08-13-2005, 01:52 PM

The nose/cockpit area sort of reminds me of a BR.20.....

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 08-13-2005, 09:38 PM

It reminds me for some reason of a Bloch. I can not remember the nomenclature of it though. I know that that is not what it is though.

SM79Sparviero · 08-14-2005, 04:02 AM

Piaggio P133.It was an evolution from P108 with Piaggio PXV RC or PXXII 18 cylinders engine ( the latter with a complex two-stage three-speed centrifugal supercharger) for 1650-1800 HP at take-off, for a maximum planned speed of 490 km/h.Bombload up to 4800 Kg.Armament: two turrets on the back each with a 20 mm Mg-151, 1 20 MM gun inthe tail, one in the fuselage step, one in each side, on blisters, 4 Safat 12.7 machine guns 3 fixed and one trainable on the nose.
Regia Aeronautica ordered a preliminary series of 6 bombers and a prototype was nearly ready in Piaggio factory in Finale Ligure in 1943.
(Data and pictures from Aerofan-April 1998, n.16 and Dimensione Cielo pocked books, n.6, Bizzarri Editions-Italy-)

Unfortunately this is the best picture I could find....if someone had a better image I would like to see it very much........In post-war Italy most of the iconographic and technical material was removed from industrial archives and destroyed by the ashamed industrial leaders and workers who feared that their works were interpreted as an "active collaboration" with the Fascist regimen.Such a suspect could cause serious damages to your health in 1946......

Smokey · 08-14-2005, 08:43 AM

What is this?

SM79Sparviero · 08-14-2005, 09:55 AM

Nakajima Fugaku.Six 2500 four raws turbocharged radial air-cooled(very much air) engines.680 Km/h ( hoped) maximum speed.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 08-14-2005, 10:00 AM

Wow good stuff.

red admiral · 08-17-2005, 12:02 PM

For SM79.

Something else.

SM79Sparviero · 08-17-2005, 01:14 PM

Fantastic picture!
Piaggio P123 long range bomber, proposed as "ad interim" cheap solution ,alternative to Piaggio P108 for Bombardamento a Grande Raggio public competition in 1938.
It was an extrapolation from P23 aircraft born for long range record challenges, with the new but unreliable Piaggio PXI 14 cylinders engines.

JCS · 08-17-2005, 01:58 PM

Cool!

You seem to have a lot on Italian planes SM.79, what do you have on the Ba.88? Any drawings or pictures besides the few online?

SM79Sparviero · 08-17-2005, 03:04 PM

Something about Ba-88

08-13-2005, 09:57 AM	#122
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,150	I am sure it is Italian but it looks almost like a French aircraft. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

08-13-2005, 11:12 AM	#123
evangilder "Shooter" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Moorpark, CA Posts: 14,803	The pic above looks like an oversized Mitchell to me, at least from the side. __________________ http://www.vg-photo.com For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return. Leonardo Da Vinci

08-13-2005, 11:13 AM	#124
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,150	Yeah it does. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

08-13-2005, 11:24 AM	#125
evangilder "Shooter" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Moorpark, CA Posts: 14,803	Kinda looks like the B-24 cargo version as well (C-87/C-109) but it's a tail dragger. __________________ http://www.vg-photo.com For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return. Leonardo Da Vinci

08-13-2005, 01:52 PM	#126
JCS Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nicholson, PA Posts: 672	The nose/cockpit area sort of reminds me of a BR.20..... __________________

08-13-2005, 09:38 PM	#127
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,150	It reminds me for some reason of a Bloch. I can not remember the nomenclature of it though. I know that that is not what it is though. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

08-14-2005, 04:02 AM	#128
SM79Sparviero Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Culqualber Posts: 80	Piaggio P133.It was an evolution from P108 with Piaggio PXV RC or PXXII 18 cylinders engine ( the latter with a complex two-stage three-speed centrifugal supercharger) for 1650-1800 HP at take-off, for a maximum planned speed of 490 km/h.Bombload up to 4800 Kg.Armament: two turrets on the back each with a 20 mm Mg-151, 1 20 MM gun inthe tail, one in the fuselage step, one in each side, on blisters, 4 Safat 12.7 machine guns 3 fixed and one trainable on the nose. Regia Aeronautica ordered a preliminary series of 6 bombers and a prototype was nearly ready in Piaggio factory in Finale Ligure in 1943. (Data and pictures from Aerofan-April 1998, n.16 and Dimensione Cielo pocked books, n.6, Bizzarri Editions-Italy-) Unfortunately this is the best picture I could find....if someone had a better image I would like to see it very much........In post-war Italy most of the iconographic and technical material was removed from industrial archives and destroyed by the ashamed industrial leaders and workers who feared that their works were interpreted as an "active collaboration" with the Fascist regimen.Such a suspect could cause serious damages to your health in 1946...... __________________ All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost. From the ashes a fire shall be waken, A light from the shadows shall spring; Renewed shall be blade that was broken, The crownless again shall be king. John Ronald Reuel Tolkien

08-14-2005, 08:43 AM	#129
Smokey Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 532	What is this?

08-14-2005, 09:55 AM	#130
SM79Sparviero Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Culqualber Posts: 80	Nakajima Fugaku.Six 2500 four raws turbocharged radial air-cooled(very much air) engines.680 Km/h ( hoped) maximum speed. __________________ All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost. From the ashes a fire shall be waken, A light from the shadows shall spring; Renewed shall be blade that was broken, The crownless again shall be king. John Ronald Reuel Tolkien

08-14-2005, 10:00 AM	#131
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,150	Wow good stuff. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

08-17-2005, 12:02 PM	#132
red admiral Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 374	For SM79. Something else.

08-17-2005, 01:58 PM	#134
JCS Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nicholson, PA Posts: 672	Cool! You seem to have a lot on Italian planes SM.79, what do you have on the Ba.88? Any drawings or pictures besides the few online? __________________

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