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08-13-2005, 07:10 AM
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| It is not a "might have been". A prototype was ready to be tested in 1943.
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08-13-2005, 07:57 AM
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#122 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | I am sure it is Italian but it looks almost like a French aircraft.
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08-13-2005, 09:12 AM
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#123 | | "Shooter"
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Country:  | The pic above looks like an oversized Mitchell to me, at least from the side.
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08-13-2005, 09:13 AM
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#124 | | Der Crewchief
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__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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08-13-2005, 09:24 AM
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#125 | | "Shooter"
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Country: | Kinda looks like the B-24 cargo version as well (C-87/C-109) but it's a tail dragger.
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08-13-2005, 11:52 AM
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Country: | The nose/cockpit area sort of reminds me of a BR.20.....
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08-13-2005, 07:38 PM
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#127 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | It reminds me for some reason of a Bloch. I can not remember the nomenclature of it though. I know that that is not what it is though.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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08-14-2005, 02:02 AM
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| Piaggio P133.It was an evolution from P108 with Piaggio PXV RC or PXXII 18 cylinders engine ( the latter with a complex two-stage three-speed centrifugal supercharger) for 1650-1800 HP at take-off, for a maximum planned speed of 490 km/h.Bombload up to 4800 Kg.Armament: two turrets on the back each with a 20 mm Mg-151, 1 20 MM gun inthe tail, one in the fuselage step, one in each side, on blisters, 4 Safat 12.7 machine guns 3 fixed and one trainable on the nose.
Regia Aeronautica ordered a preliminary series of 6 bombers and a prototype was nearly ready in Piaggio factory in Finale Ligure in 1943.
(Data and pictures from Aerofan-April 1998, n.16 and Dimensione Cielo pocked books, n.6, Bizzarri Editions-Italy-)
Unfortunately this is the best picture I could find....if someone had a better image I would like to see it very much........In post-war Italy most of the iconographic and technical material was removed from industrial archives and destroyed by the ashamed industrial leaders and workers who feared that their works were interpreted as an "active collaboration" with the Fascist regimen.Such a suspect could cause serious damages to your health in 1946......
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All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.
From the ashes a fire shall be waken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king.
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08-14-2005, 06:43 AM
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08-14-2005, 07:55 AM
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| Nakajima Fugaku.Six 2500 four raws turbocharged radial air-cooled(very much air) engines.680 Km/h ( hoped) maximum speed.
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All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.
From the ashes a fire shall be waken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king.
John Ronald Reuel Tolkien | |
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08-14-2005, 08:00 AM
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#131 | | Der Crewchief
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__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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08-17-2005, 10:02 AM
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For SM79. 
Something else. | |
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08-17-2005, 11:14 AM
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| Fantastic picture!
Piaggio P123 long range bomber, proposed as "ad interim" cheap solution ,alternative to Piaggio P108 for Bombardamento a Grande Raggio public competition in 1938.
It was an extrapolation from P23 aircraft born for long range record challenges, with the new but unreliable Piaggio PXI 14 cylinders engines.
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All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.
From the ashes a fire shall be waken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king.
John Ronald Reuel Tolkien | |
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08-17-2005, 11:58 AM
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Country: | Cool!  You seem to have a lot on Italian planes SM.79, what do you have on the Ba.88? Any drawings or pictures besides the few online?
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08-17-2005, 01:04 PM
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#135 | | Member
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| Something about Ba-88
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All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.
From the ashes a fire shall be waken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king.
John Ronald Reuel Tolkien | |
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