Airforces just pre-WW2: you run the show

[tomo pauk]

...and decide (among other stuff) what gets into production and what does not, and in what quantities. The quantity is one of major determinants, so please don't choose jets for 1942, or multiple Hispano cannons for RAF fighters for BoB etc.
Your role starts 2 years prior the chosen country is in the war.

[Gixxerman]

Interesting.
I'll just pick 2.

For the UK I doubt there really is a lot more that can be done, they were flat-out by 1937 trying to get ready for the obvious coming war (and I am much more inclined to the 'Chamberlain was buying time at Munich' view, regardless of what anyone else was up to).
Maybe additional resources to optimising production and eliminating bottle-necks where they can be identified but I'm sure it's nothing that wasn't thought of at the time.
I'd be looking hard at trying to further standardise components where possible & have production dispersed with sub-contractors making prefab'd sections & components.

For Germany.....hmmm, where to start?
IMHO one of the biggest problems Germany has is simply incapable of being addressed.
It's the political system.
Riven with personalities, petty jealousies and all the rest.
I'm not sure, given the back-drop, Germany could ever do much different to what she did.
With enormous duplication of effort & all the wasted resources that implies.

[Shortround6]

With the benefit of hind sight many countries performance could be improved. With only 2 years there in no time to develop new engines although there may be time to cancel some engines and throw support to others. It also takes more than two years to develop a new aircraft gun.

The British ordered too many planes off the drawing boards that turned out to be duds. The British may have wound up with the worlds biggest collection of target tugs.
Can't figure out what to do with 500-1000 Armbruster-Miles-Wentworth Gnatgashers you ordered that are useless as operational aircraft? don't admit the screw up, turn them into target tugs

The Japanese needed to standardize something, anything...... engines, guns, ammo..... something

Germans did pretty well in 1937-39, their problem was thinking that the war was already over (it would be won with what was in production in late 1939 and 1940). I am talking about basic models and not minor upgrades. And then, instead of a steady progression, they tried to leap frog development with things like the bomber "B" program and going for remote control turrets before they had good manned turrets.

The Russians are pretty much stuck, without a different engine they are pretty much out of luck and since a different engine is out of the question all you can do is juggle which less than adequate plane is produced until the As-82 engine comes along.

All countries could have improved their performance, but there are definite limits.

[pbfoot]

or there is this
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/avi...like-2288.html (1n 1939 what would your operational airforce look like)

[tomo pauk]

That thread is more about like what would you purchase, this one is more about production.

What kind of engines, guns and/or airplanes would receive more funding, so there is more of them earlier?

[fastmongrel]

Dear Rolls Royce

Heres this newfangled gas turbine thing please can we have a thousand working examples by 1942.
We enclose a blank cheque for your convenience.

Yours sincerely the Air Ministry

[Shortround6]

For the British, toss the Sabre in the rubbish bin. Put some engineers to work at Bristol to improve the Mercury/Pegasus. Knowing that 100 octane is coming, improve cooling (more/bigger fins) and strengthen the bottom end. Put 2 speed supercharger on the Mercury. Put at least 2-4 more guys on the Centaurus. Send the rest to R-R work on the Griffon. Maybe send 1-2 men to Whittle?
Work on more constant speed propellers.
Try to get the Dewilde incendiary ammunition going sooner. Stop R-R from mucking about with guns. Try to either lighten up the .5 Vickers or scale the .303 Browning to .5in vickers (like the Japanese army 12.7mm gun). Probably won't make the BoB but could useful after that.
Realize that single engine semi-strategic bombers (the Battle had way too much range for a tactical bomber) are NOT a good idea.
Realize that 18,000lb twin engine torpedo bombers with 900hp engines are also not a good idea. Botha, Beaufort, Hamden.

More later

[fastmongrel]

Dear Miles Aviation

Please design a 550 mph fighter. Rolls Royce will build any engine you require.
We enclose a blank cheque for your convenience.

Yours sincerely the Air Ministry

[fastmongrel]

Dear Blackburn Aviation

Please stop. Just stop whatever your doing and go and find something else to do, anything as long as it doesnt have to fly.

Yours sincerely the Air Ministry

[davebender]

1937 is ideal for Germany. Change two historical RLM engine production decisions and the effects will ripple through several important German aircraft programs.

1. The Genshagen DB601 engine plant gets the historical 1940 expansion three years early.

2. The DB603 engine program does not lose RLM funding during 1937. We will do the opposite, putting DB603 development on the fast track with generous funding. During 1939 to 1940 RLM will fund construction of a Genshagen size factory complex that will start production of DB603 engines during 1941.

[Siegfried]

Germans did pretty well in 1937-39, their problem was thinking that the war was already over (it would be won with what was in production in late 1939 and 1940). I am talking about basic models and not minor upgrades. And then, instead of a steady progression, they tried to leap frog development with things like the bomber "B" program and going for remote control turrets before they had good manned turrets.
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Its a fair assesment in some ways, but in other ways their mentality was more along the lines of that long wars favour the enemy, France and Poland need to be defended against defeated first and resources need to be put into that first, they gambled on a short war but to an extent that is a result of the situation: no point having a long range fighter and bomber if French and Polish tanks are rolling across your border in a simultaneous invasion while your navy is bottled up in the baltic.

With hindsight one can see some serious mistakes in project and procurment managment and a failure to have the types of aircraft needed at critical times.

1 He 177B with 4 engines is produced as per Ernest Heinkels recommendations. This is a no brainer. Something was wrong with the risk managment here, a lack of a Plan B to ensure a vital aircraft is available. Ernest Udet wouldn't signe of on the He 177 unless it had dive bombing capabillity but that was never realistic anyway.

2 Me 210/410. The aircraft was designed by Waldemer Vogt but Professor Messershmitt personally intervened to shorten the tail and remove the slats: the two features which had to be restored to make a combat flyable aircraft. This deprived the Luftwaffe of an excellent aircraft by over 1.25 years.

So some kind of 'rish managment' ovesight is needed to make sure these 'paint into a corner' decisions are not terminal.

Several important types are missing from the German procurment program.

Something more competitive to the Mustang when it appeared in December 1943. It could be a better 109 or a developed 309 or FW 190.

A powerfull and fast night fighter that can cruise at high speed to where the raids are (after spoofing raids are discovered even with radar but could also provide cover for u-boats at long range out to see; possibly a derivative of the HS 127 ie something between a Ju 88 and an Me 110 that could take on Liberators,Costal Command Mosquitos & Beufighters on an equal footing as well as be a fast night fighter.

Long range: Drop tanks on the 109 before the battle of Britain: even if it is the 50 gallon types used on He 51's during the spanish civil war.

The Germans did fairly well with the Me 109 and FW 190 but it just wasn't good enough. In particular the crude modifications to the Me 109 that cost so much drag. This aircraft really needs to be replaced or at least substantially improved and modifed.

One factor was insufficient high octane fuel production; alkylation plants were comenced in 1940, too late to provide the quamity of fuel needed untill too late.

The Germans had grand plans for aviation, there are some rediclously large Blohm Voss flying boast that can be cancelled.

Emphasise pilot training. Don't kill your instructors by getting them to fly out of date transports into combat zones.

Get a more efficient transport.

Cypher Security.

Push radar even more, diversify frequencies, plan for radar war.

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For the French:
Get industrial relations sorted (they were on the precipace of communist by some accounts) and start making sufficient numbers of aircraft. The MS 460 is fine. Do something about engine power sooner: the HS-12Y is 200hp behined the DB601 by the time of the battle of France. The French will need radar to protect their border, they are however way behined the Germans and British.

For the British:
Hard to fault the RAF, Dowding did pretty well, start looking at radio navigation in a realistic fashion. Arrogance in some quarters of the RAF assumed their flyers were so good they didn't need aids (the use of beams by the Germans was taken as a sign of their inferior piloting and navigation skills by some)

Also get rid of that clod who thinks water cooled engines are faster than aircooled, Freeman I think?

[Siegfried]

1937 is ideal for Germany. Change two historical RLM engine production decisions and the effects will ripple through several important German aircraft programs.

1. The Genshagen DB601 engine plant gets the historical 1940 expansion three years early.

2. The DB603 engine program does not lose RLM funding during 1937. We will do the opposite, putting DB603 development on the fast track with generous funding. During 1939 to 1940 RLM will fund construction of a Genshagen size factory complex that will start production of DB603 engines during 1941.

It's possible to see several ripple decisions comming out of this:
1 FW 187 with DB601/DB605 is produced, giving the Luftwaffe a reasonably long ranged fighter.
2 FW 190D9 or Me 309 with a 1900hp DB603 is introduced in late 1943. The DB603 progresses to its higher output DB603G or DB603E version about 1 year sooner.
3 Aircraft such as the Ju 88 are given the basic DB603A engine in late 41, about 1 years before it otherwise entered service. This is now a rather fast aircraft.

What elese would have changed?

[oldcrowcv63]

For all choices, I'd pick aircraft with protype first flight prior to January 1, 1938

For my USN carrier aviation, I'd choose maximum development and production of

Fighter: Brewster F2A-1 (If pre-1939 introduction is required, then the Grumman F3F or Gloster Sea Gladiator)
Dive Bomber: Vought SB2U-1
Torpedo Bomber: Douglas TBD-1
Maritime Patrol: Consolidated PBY

Land based fighter: Curtiss P-36A Mohawk
Attack: Curtiss A-18 Shrike
Light Bomber: Lockheed Hudson
Medium Bomber: North American XB-21
Heavy Bomber: Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress
Transport: Douglas DC-3

[tomo pauk]

USA's war starts almost in 1942, so the prototype list that covers Jan 1st, 1940 would yield some better planes.

[davebender]

Why wouldn't the Fw-190 have a DB603 engine from the beginning, just as Dr. Tank preferred historically? The timing is perfect. Fw-190 design began during 1937. Same year the decision is made to produce the DB603 engine. It's my understanding Dornier also preferred the DB603 engine for the Do-217 bomber.

IMO the BMW139 and BMW801 engine programs are unlikely to get off the drawing board if Focke Wulf and Dornier have the option to use DB603 engines.

There will be enough DB601 engines available by 1940. I think the He-100 would enter production even if the Luftwaffe doesn't acquire any. Finland, Sweden, Switzerland, Spain, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey etc. will purchase hundreds of these low cost fighter aircraft.

Italy may import DB601 engines directly from Germany when their efforts to build a reliable DB601 copy encounter problems. That could do wonders for the Italian air force during 1940 to 1943.