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Soundbreaker Welch? · 05-19-2009, 05:36 PM

The Germans made some really big flying boats. Here's some, the Dornier Do X

And the Blohm und Voss Bv 222.

I never knew a of a plane called the "Bat Boat"!

bigZ · 05-20-2009, 12:39 PM

[QUOTE=RabidAlien;500999]heh. Kinda like saying all ships are submersible, but only submersibles may become ships again.

QUOTE]

That would be wrong a submarine can never be a ship but is allways a boat.

airboiy · 05-20-2009, 01:13 PM

the germans, i guess, love big things-just look at the "leopold" and the "tirpitz"! those things are HUGE!

GrauGeist · 05-20-2009, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RabidAlien

heh. Kinda like saying all ships are submersible, but only submersibles may become ships again.

I seem to recall pics from Pearl Harbor's Catalina base (Ford Island, IIRC) where the burning planes were not at piers, but sitting on the tarmac. There's really not much space on FordIsland to put a bunch of piers for Cats, either (I was barracked off Ford Island for about 8 months), especially with all the battlewagons and such around the island. So I would hazard a guess that the Cats there were land/water planes.

The early Catalinas were hauled up a ramp on wheeled dollies, like most other Seaplanes, when they were stowed or being serviced. The later Catalinas were true amphibians.

As far as the Germans having big seaplanes, indeed they did, but the world's largest are the American seaplanes, like the Hugh's H4 Hercules (Spruce Goose) and the Martin JRM-1. The H4 is actually one of the largest aircraft in the world, but the JRM-1 (also JRM-2 & JRM-3) is the largest production flying boat in the world.

Waynos · 05-21-2009, 07:48 AM

Not forgetting the Saro Princess from Britain and the French Latecoere L.631. I thibk the Hughes H.4 has the largest winspan of any aircraft ever built but the Princess is the biggest Flying boat to fly successfully (ie more than a couple of feet high and more than once) would that be right?

Also, it must be said that Seaplanes are not flying boats and vice versa. A flying boat has a hull whereas a seaplane has floats.

airboiy · 05-21-2009, 10:47 AM

I thought the B-36 Peacemaker had the longest wingspan, longer than even the "Spruce Goose"?

Waynos · 05-21-2009, 11:35 AM

The B-36 wingspan was 230ft, same as the Brabazon and similar to the Princess, the Hughes Hercules was 90ft greater at 320ft.

GrauGeist · 05-21-2009, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waynos

Not forgetting the Saro Princess from Britain and the French Latecoere L.631. I thibk the Hughes H.4 has the largest winspan of any aircraft ever built but the Princess is the biggest Flying boat to fly successfully (ie more than a couple of feet high and more than once) would that be right?

Also, it must be said that Seaplanes are not flying boats and vice versa. A flying boat has a hull whereas a seaplane has floats.

You are right about the flying boat versus the seaplane. It's one of those words that get misplaced every so often, like Motor and Engine being used incorrectly. (Motor = electric, Engine = combustion)

The Princess had a wingspan of 219 feet, where the Martin's was 200 feet. however, only one Princess flew and only then as test flights (something like 40+ flights) where the 6 Martin JRM flying boats were used from the end of WWII through the early 50's, retired and then put back in service off and on for the next few decades. And the two surviving JRMs are still in use today (Mars and Phillipine).

The Blohm & Voss Bv238 (not the Bv222 Viking) was a close second to the JRM with a wingspan of 197 feet.

Waynos · 05-22-2009, 05:12 AM

But that would still make the Princess the biggest 'boat' to fly successfully wouldn't it? 40 plus flights without mishap is pretty successful, just not operational.

There was also a scheme to turn the Princess into a landplane which, with the hull planing bottom replaced by a conventional fuselage bottom and undercarriage, rather resembled a six engined C-133. This was halted at the last minute but had it happened wold it have been a unique conversion or have there been others?

Kiwikid · 05-23-2009, 03:58 AM

The PBY Catalina was not amphibious originally. Early versions were pure flying boats based on the Coronado.

The PBY-5 version was.

Kiwikid · 05-23-2009, 04:15 AM

Didn't Tupelov design a submersible flying boat ?

It would spot a target from the air and then land some distance ahead and fire it's two torpedoes from underwater like a U-boat.

Graeme · 05-23-2009, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiwikid

Didn't Tupelov design a submersible flying boat ?

It would spot a target from the air and then land some distance ahead and fire it's two torpedoes from underwater like a U-boat.

Haven't heard of that before KiwiKid, but a little googling did reveal a proposed scheme for the Tupolev ANT-22 to carry a submarine...

Tupolev ANT-22 with APSS submarine. War and Game

TenGunTerror · 06-25-2009, 10:03 PM

I think that the H8K "Emily" could land on grass fields but I'm not sure

05-19-2009, 05:36 PM	#16
Soundbreaker Welch? Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 1,896	The Germans made some really big flying boats. Here's some, the Dornier Do X And the Blohm und Voss Bv 222. I never knew a of a plane called the "Bat Boat"! __________________ "His motor's conked out!" "What's the differance, they're all Nazis!" "Luke, shut up!" "Fear the hook!" "Oh.....I wanna fly." "You mean the kind that go under water and fly up the stairs?" "What you doing? Oh Nooooo!"

05-20-2009, 12:39 PM	#17
bigZ Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 570	[QUOTE=RabidAlien;500999]heh. Kinda like saying all ships are submersible, but only submersibles may become ships again. QUOTE] That would be wrong a submarine can never be a ship but is allways a boat. __________________ Lord Flasheart: [about planes] Always treat your kite like you treat your woman. Lieutenant George: How do you mean, sir? Do you mean, take her home at the week-end to meet your mother? Lord Flasheart: No! I mean get inside her five times a day and take her to heaven and back! Captain Blackadder: I'm beginning to see why the suffragette movement are wanting the vote. Lord Flasheart: Hey, hey! Any girl who wants to chain herself to my railings and suffer a jet movement gets my vote! Last edited by bigZ; 05-20-2009 at 12:43 PM.

05-20-2009, 01:13 PM	#18
airboiy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Louisville,KY Posts: 110	the germans, i guess, love big things-just look at the "leopold" and the "tirpitz"! those things are HUGE! __________________ "Don't touch it! It's a live grenade!"last words of an anonymous German wehrmact soldier "Today we are ashamed and forgotten, but tommorow we will be heroes and remembered!" Unknown

05-21-2009, 10:47 AM	#21
airboiy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Louisville,KY Posts: 110	I thought the B-36 Peacemaker had the longest wingspan, longer than even the "Spruce Goose"? __________________ "Don't touch it! It's a live grenade!"last words of an anonymous German wehrmact soldier "Today we are ashamed and forgotten, but tommorow we will be heroes and remembered!" Unknown

06-25-2009, 10:03 PM	#28
TenGunTerror Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 42	I think that the H8K "Emily" could land on grass fields but I'm not sure __________________ I need to lean to keep my mouth shut

05-21-2009, 07:48 AM	#20
Waynos Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,128	Not forgetting the Saro Princess from Britain and the French Latecoere L.631. I thibk the Hughes H.4 has the largest winspan of any aircraft ever built but the Princess is the biggest Flying boat to fly successfully (ie more than a couple of feet high and more than once) would that be right? Also, it must be said that Seaplanes are not flying boats and vice versa. A flying boat has a hull whereas a seaplane has floats.

05-21-2009, 11:35 AM	#22
Waynos Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,128	The B-36 wingspan was 230ft, same as the Brabazon and similar to the Princess, the Hughes Hercules was 90ft greater at 320ft.

05-22-2009, 05:12 AM	#24
Waynos Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,128	But that would still make the Princess the biggest 'boat' to fly successfully wouldn't it? 40 plus flights without mishap is pretty successful, just not operational. There was also a scheme to turn the Princess into a landplane which, with the hull planing bottom replaced by a conventional fuselage bottom and undercarriage, rather resembled a six engined C-133. This was halted at the last minute but had it happened wold it have been a unique conversion or have there been others?

05-23-2009, 03:58 AM	#25
Kiwikid Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 140	The PBY Catalina was not amphibious originally. Early versions were pure flying boats based on the Coronado. The PBY-5 version was.

05-23-2009, 04:15 AM	#26
Kiwikid Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 140	Didn't Tupelov design a submersible flying boat ? It would spot a target from the air and then land some distance ahead and fire it's two torpedoes from underwater like a U-boat.

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