 | Which airplanes weren't given a fighting chance| Aviation Discuss Which airplanes weren't given a fighting chance in the World War II - Aviation forums; Originally Posted by MacArther
The Bell P-63 King Cobra. Sure, it saw Russain use, but why did we only ... |
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10-24-2005, 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by MacArther The Bell P-63 King Cobra. Sure, it saw Russain use, but why did we only use it as a target tug? | By the time she came into the game the P-38, and -47 were on scene and there was a lot of bad press about the P-39, some warrented, other just folklore - it was decided to just sell the -63 to Russia, the same thing happened to the Martin Baltimore and Maryland (They went to the Brits, some were supposed to go to the French). The P-63D had a sliding canopy and in my opinion was one of the best looking WW2 fighters.
Apparently the P-63 offered little improvement (although the D model was as fast as a Mustang), so some in the AAF thought....
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Country: | The Russians and their tactics are what made the P-39 and P-63 so effective over the Russian countryside...
Read up on Alexandr Pokryshkin... The man was a genius, as well as a killer... http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/pokri/pokri.htm
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But I am Only going to give you guys a vague list
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Originally Posted by lesofprimus The Russians and their tactics are what made the P-39 and P-63 so effective over the Russian countryside...
Read up on Alexandr Pokryshkin... The man was a genius, as well as a killer... http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/pokri/pokri.htm | Yep - again I think he and many other Russians who flew the P-39 showed that tactics made everything - so many "Bad Stories" and folklore about the P-39 in the Pacific and look what this guy did with it....
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Originally Posted by MacArther We are talking about WW2 | Oh, I should learn to read the fine print.
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10-26-2005, 07:13 AM
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10-27-2005, 04:36 PM
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| I would say the He-100 from Germany, the Wirlwind for England, and the P-39 from America. These all could have been the best fighters ever produced.
I have read accounts of the He-100 being faster and having an equal if not better turn radius of the Me-109.
Like said earlier the Wirlwind just needed better engines. It had the speed, range and armament of other twin engine fighters but lacked the reliabilty in the engines.
And we all know of the P-39 and it's fire power!!! I think it's fault was it radical design with the engine in the middle of the airplane. That gave it different spin qualities than what the pilots of that time were used to. | |
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| Some of the late italien fighter planes should be mentioned, also.
A very bad thing that the soviets didnīt give a chance to their radial engine modified Mig-3 variant ( a few performed in late 42 excellently).
The P-80 and the He-162 shouldnīt bee forgotten, too. (just a mind)
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Country:  | As well as more fuel and ammo for them to fly...the projected production figures for the Volksjager were incredible, around 3000 a month.
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| Who knows? The A-6 subtype with V-tail (prototype M 49) looks fine. Get a BMW-003 D instead of a BMW-003 E and you increase the poweroutput by 30% with almost the same weight (and reduced specific fuel consumption). 580-585 mp/h may be possible. You may also attend drop tanks or a stronger (3-4*MG151/20?) weaponry.
I would like the design. The problems with bad production quality and low pilot training would render the plane to a lower possible efficiency.
The production lists shows the "whishes", not the facts. Around 1200-1800 units may be possible, not more (think of the engines).
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